Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 9:59:00 PM (view original):
Interesting, I had always assumed D1 was out of the question, so never tried it.

You can pull-down any 10-mile recruit for about $1,620, so I wouldn't call $2,800 cheap.

You get $3k per open scholarship. If I could land even low-level D1 talent as a pulldown for less than what I'm given, I'd consider it cheap.

he never actually dropped to my D2 search...i pulled him right off the D1 screen

abrent---it cost me a little more than 28, but not much.  buyer beware though...i got the same "backup" msg from another player on my D1 search list and wasn't able to get him to drop  with close to 4k....so i dont think it's a given that it will work, but it can.

Yeah, you're right, it's pretty cheap,  

I was just saying I wouldn't expect to spend any more than any other pulldown.

bow2 - were you recruiting both guys at the same time?  I pull guys down every season in exactly the same way and have never had one of them need any more recruiting than another.  It's possible I've just been lucky but not likely, I think.

Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/2/2011 10:04:00 PM (view original):
he never actually dropped to my D2 search...i pulled him right off the D1 screen

abrent---it cost me a little more than 28, but not much.  buyer beware though...i got the same "backup" msg from another player on my D1 search list and wasn't able to get him to drop  with close to 4k....so i dont think it's a given that it will work, but it can.

Interesting.

No other information could have allowed you to differentiate between the two and save the $?

nope not that i picked up on. 

it's just like any other pulldown i guess...some you can get with 10 sv's and some take 20.

Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/2/2011 10:09:00 PM (view original):
nope not that i picked up on. 

it's just like any other pulldown i guess...some you can get with 10 sv's and some take 20.

I'm convinced the 10 vs 20 is a myth, but maybe I've just been lucky.  Like 100 for 100 lucky.

The question I'd ask is when you did the evals, because that matters a lot.

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/2/2011 10:09:00 PM (view original):
nope not that i picked up on. 

it's just like any other pulldown i guess...some you can get with 10 sv's and some take 20.

I'm convinced the 10 vs 20 is a myth, but maybe I've just been lucky.  Like 100 for 100 lucky.

The question I'd ask is when you did the evals, because that matters a lot.

like you, i long believed the 10 vs 20 is a myth. but its not. i too was like 100 for 100 lucky. but i have seen a couple cases lately that for sure were 20+, one was mine, one a friend's. i'm not really sure what causes it, but it seems possible that it is related to another coach going after the same guy. at the same time, i've pulled down guys for 10-12 evals who were considering a school a division higher than me. so its a little strange, it doesn't seem deterministic to me. maybe its an attribute of their personality? like a preference that makes them more cautious when multiple schools are going after them? maybe very high self confidence or something?

I have no inside information, so I'm basing my opinion only on experience.  It's definitely possible there is some factor I've never hit, especially if it was added in the last few releases. 

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/2/2011 10:09:00 PM (view original):
nope not that i picked up on. 

it's just like any other pulldown i guess...some you can get with 10 sv's and some take 20.

I'm convinced the 10 vs 20 is a myth, but maybe I've just been lucky.  Like 100 for 100 lucky.

The question I'd ask is when you did the evals, because that matters a lot.

What do you mean by the second part of your post?

I don't have a *ton* of experience with pulldowns, but I didn't realize the timing of the evals makes a difference. When is it better to do them and what impact does that timing have?

Again, no inside information here, but this is what works for me.

I never try to pull-down on day 1.
I usually wait to do pull downs until day 3.  
It's never taken me more than a schollie + 10 evals.

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:38:00 PM (view original):
Again, no inside information here, but this is what works for me.

I never try to pull-down on day 1.
I usually wait to do pull downs until day 3.  
It's never taken me more than a schollie + 10 evals.

Day 3 being the day after signings begin?

If you don't mind sharing, do you do the 10 evals all at once with the scholarship, or do you space it out somehow? Do you think it makes a difference?

obviously you've had good success doing it your way...

...but i just feel like i'd miss out on way too many good players by waiting til day 3

No, day 3 is signing day.  I do most of my pulldowns a cycle or two before signings.

In my experience, it doesn't matter if you do all 10 evals at once or spread them out.  I usually offer the schollie before I do the evals, but have done a schollie and 10 evals the same cycle a number of times with no problems.

You've never had the scholarship rejected outright when you've done it before the evals? I've run into that problem before.

For me, the day 3 thing is as much to avoid battling higher division teams as anything else.

But, I do think you're wasting your money trying to pull-down guys the first night.  

Just my opinion, won't surprise me if somebody tells me I'm wrong.