I would really, really, really like for seble to give us a simple chart that would match up with what reinsel posted earlier today, comparing the overall ratings in the new release of various levels of recruits. If it looks good, it would go an extremely long way towards quieting the cynics such as ... welll, me.

Interested on hearing what others thought about the Dev Chat.

i guess it's time for jj and I to adjust to the new rebounding...

I wish he would have at least addressed the question I posed (a day in advance and during the chat itself) about dedicated defenders/box-and-1/film study.

i mean, you could wait 2 days for tark to rollover

my thought is, if the max ratings for players really did not change, then the recruit generation change really did not accomplish a whole lot. but, at least, it couldn't have hurt too much either... right?

I started this in another thread about the same time this one was started, but I don't think we got much of anything out of Seble.  Personally it looks like making a couple of changes to give the appearance that he is still working on HD, but not really.  It is good to know that the max rating is not changing, however I do think that is at the cost of a ton of red low potential now with those same players. 

were can i see this dev chat?

I think it should help some.  The numbers he did give from the test world indicated at least an incremental improvement for D1 compared to Reinsel's numbers.  I also generally at first glimpse like the idea of having D2 and D3 recruits that will have the same caps and slightly higher initial ratings.  There are still some teams that make a living by putting 10-12 players in 2 consecutive classes.  I'd personally like to weaken that strategy as much as possible and this should help a bit on that front...

Posted by z0601 on 2/3/2011 4:30:00 PM (view original):
I started this in another thread about the same time this one was started, but I don't think we got much of anything out of Seble.  Personally it looks like making a couple of changes to give the appearance that he is still working on HD, but not really.  It is good to know that the max rating is not changing, however I do think that is at the cost of a ton of red low potential now with those same players. 

That's not what I got out of it.

I read it as being that those area where you had a guy with a single-digit rating but a high-high potential will be bumped higher in that category to start. If it hits anywhere, it probably means sky's the limit/high-high guys might be a touch rarer. I doubt the starting rating on many low/average cat's gets bumped up simply because there wouldn't be much of a point. Maybe I'm misconstruing what was meant, but I was thinking the starting rate change was being targeted at those uber-low start values that had high potential assigned to them.

seemed reasonably helpful, a few nuggets of info, seble is much more straightforward than tarek used to be, tarek was like reading a lawyer's bried sometimes, filled with double talk.  seble seems to be very good at fixing the game, these changes appear to be good for the game, and his explanations appeared to be forthright - didn't they???

I have to say it....

I told you so!

Maxes did not change (except FTs). Basically game play stays the same but the 'doomsday crowd' feels better because mid-major recruits will 'appear' to be better during recruiting. Thats my take. Its a good tweak - but thats all it is, a tweak.

helpful take

i still think it is retarded to mess with d2/d3 recruit generation to fix a d1 problem. also, i fee like one of the biggest problems was not that there weren't enough players who could come in and compete with high end big 6 school on day 1... its that there aren't enough of these players who can come in and compete with high end big 6 schools as juniors and seniors. so, guys will start better and will max out earlier. i just don't see the benefit there... we can all go back to putting a little more practice time into team practice and a little less of our own time worrying about practice plans? but meanwhile, upperclassmen, which are what make teams great, really haven't gotten any better.

i do think this could impact the elite players - sounds like they got worse, with more potential. so, they are probably going to contribute even less when they leave early, which sucks. but, they might stay longer, which is good i guess, maybe. im not sure what the net result will be on top teams, guess we will have to wait and see.

all in all, it seems like this change is just an attempt to reverse what seble sought out to do in the first place - which was to create elite incoming players and create more room for growth for players. these are concepts that i supported, but it just went from elite players to mediocre players with very little in between, and that was the problem. so it seems like to me, instead of making those not elite but not mediocre players more plentiful, seble is reducing incoming elite players and creating less room for growth for players. just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Posted by moy23 on 2/3/2011 4:51:00 PM (view original):
I have to say it....

I told you so!

Maxes did not change (except FTs). Basically game play stays the same but the 'doomsday crowd' feels better because mid-major recruits will 'appear' to be better during recruiting. Thats my take. Its a good tweak - but thats all it is, a tweak.

i don't see how this makes the doomsday crowd feel better. mid major recruits, as upperclassmen, did not improve in any way. except those rare players with a ridiculous amount of potential, they will be a little closer to hitting it. roughly, this should be negligible on mid majors. the only way i can see this change helping mid majors is possibly by knocking the elite players down a notch.