Posted by emy1013 on 2/4/2011 12:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cheeznsweet on 2/3/2011 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by emy1013 on 2/3/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Given WIS' track record of overcorrections in the past, I fully expect the FCP to once again become the dominant defense that it was before. A lot of these little "tweaks" seem to certainly favor the FCP as opposed to the other defenses. It certainly shouldn't take long to see whether this will be the case or not, but I'm saying it now: I've got a realllly bad feeling about this. I've almost always ran a M2M defense since I started playing HD, refusing to sell out to the whims of the engine like others did (nothing against those coaches, if they can live with knowing they were winning through "glitchy" means, then more power to 'em). But if the Press does become dominant again, then I guess I'll have to join the list of sell-outs because I'm not competing on unequal footing again.
Epic post. In the past you other schmucks only won because the press was glitchy and that's lame. Now I'll probably go to the press and its justified because its unequal.
Self-rationalization. Its a strong drug.
I was wondering who would be the first to respond. You've been around long enough Cheez, you think the FCP was always on equal footing with the other defenses? Really? You don't think there was a reason that the majority of the human coached teams were running it (and no, that's not speculation. Someone actually took the time to document how many were running which defense), or a reason that the majority of the National Champions played that defense? Really? Because if you do think the FCP has always been just an equal to the other defenses, you've had your head in the sand for way too long.
See, I wouldn't mind continuing to run a M2M or a Zone for that matter, were this a FREE game. But since it's not and credits come with how far you advance in the NT, why should I play at a disadvantage and give money away? And that is why I now will sell out, not because it's justified or some kind of self-rationalization (I bet you've been dying to use that phrase since your Psych 101 class, huh? Not impressed, really), but because I'm not giving away free money anymore. That better?
Now if I'm wrong and Seble's "tweaks" are just that, which as I said before given WIS' track record I doubt will be just "tweaks" and probably more like an avalanche, then hey, great job by him. But when they do turn into that avalanche and everyone starts running the press again, you gonna accuse them of "self-rationalization" also, or are you finally gonna see the light?
Oh, and by the way, some legit coaches won titles running the press, along with A LOT of flavor of the month schmucks. Wonder why only a few of those coaches who won titles back when it was glitchy (and even the developer admitted it was glitchy) are still winning now and the rest of faded back to mediocrity since the press was put in line with the other D's? Ever wonder that? Says a whole lot that they can't win on equal footing, doesn't it? So yes, the coaches who sold out, switched to press when it was glitchy, won themselves a title, and now can't win a second round game, yes, they are the schmucks you mentioned above. I see you've got yourself a title. You're not one of the sell out schmucks too, are you? For some reason........
Lighten up.
You really need to slow down with putting words in other people's mouths. You do it in every single freaking thread you post in.
1) I don't think the FCP is equal to other defenses - so there goes like 2/3rds of your rant
2) I never took Psych 101 - so there goes your latest pithy quip attempt
3) I didn't win my NT with the press. I ran M2M at Yale. So there goes your latest attempt at a clever closing dig at me.
4) I haven't run the press in almost 20 seasons in Allen and Phelan except for 2-3 seasons as part of a combo with M2M. And then I only did it because I had a team that had a ton of upperclassmen and recruits that already knew the press and even then I only used it less than a half dozen times a season.
5) If you took half the time to look up my history as you take to come up with all this bullshit you're spewing you'd see that I've actually been MORE successful since the engine update and that neither of my teams runs the press. But I guess it would be too much to ask for you to focus on the reality of what's being said and done instead of investing your time in trying to craft a bunch of stuff you wish I'd said or done.
6) I'm going to let the "troll the threads making hit and run comments" part just kind of sit there for a second so I can drink in the irony of your complete lack of self-awareness.
7) I'm not stalking you. I don't even know you except to know that you lumber into the discussions on the forums, crap all over everyone with your condescending bullshit and have serious issues with reading comprehension. And if someone calls you out for it you lose your mind and resort to things like spending 4 paragraphs blustering on and on about something I never even said.
So here's some real content that you'll probably not bother reacting to and, if you do, you'll just misinterpret it, make some bogus assumptions, and then tell me that I'm not adding any value:
I agree with what you're saying about the press to a certain extent. I think when really good teams use it, its just about impossible to beat them. And when I say "really good" I mean the top 10 teams in any world.
But when the rest of the lemmings jump on board because they think its magic, its actually easier to beat them because the press has a ton of weaknesses unless its done with a lot of talent. I've looked at multiple years worth of stats and, on average, the press generates TERRIBLE rebounding numbers. As bad as or worse than the zone. Again, I'm saying with equal talents levels...if you're loaded with 99 ATH/99 REB guys you can overcome that. Also, unless FCP teams have some pretty sizeable ATH/SPD advantages, they give up significantly higher than average FG%. Add to that the fact that most of the lemming coaches try to combine the FCP with constant up-tempo and its actually really easy to beat them.
I also see your point about the very real limitations of playing against the press in the NT because, at some point, you face the really good teams that are loaded and can run the FCP effectively. But I personally think that's much less offensive and has less of an impact on the game than things like, say, baseline prestige advantages which ensure that some pretty mediocre coaches end up with talent-laden teams that are just as hard or harder to beat.
So chalk me up as a guy saying that even if these changes favor the press somewhat, its not that big of a deal.