Posted by pinkeye on 2/4/2011 9:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 2/4/2011 1:51:00 AM (view original):
Figured my stalker would be around after too much longer also.  Sorry but you really missed the point.  Nice attempt to have an intelligent thought, but really you should leave the discussion to the adults.

i got the point just fine, you're a hypocrite.

Posted by cheeznsweet on 2/4/2011 8:45:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 2/4/2011 12:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cheeznsweet on 2/3/2011 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 2/3/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Given WIS' track record of overcorrections in the past, I fully expect the FCP to once again become the dominant defense that it was before.  A lot of these little "tweaks" seem to certainly favor the FCP as opposed to the other defenses.  It certainly shouldn't take long to see whether this will be the case or not, but I'm saying it now:  I've got a realllly bad feeling about this.  I've almost always ran a M2M defense since I started playing HD, refusing to sell out to the whims of the engine like others did (nothing against those coaches, if they can live with knowing they were winning through "glitchy" means, then more power to 'em).  But if the Press does become dominant again, then I guess I'll have to join the list of sell-outs because I'm not competing on unequal footing again.

Epic post. In the past you other schmucks only won because the press was glitchy and that's lame.  Now I'll probably go to the press and its justified because its unequal.  

Self-rationalization. Its a strong drug.

I was wondering who would be the first to respond.  You've been around long enough Cheez, you think the FCP was always on equal footing with the other defenses?  Really?  You don't think there was a reason that the majority of the human coached teams were running it (and no, that's not speculation.  Someone actually took the time to document how many were running which defense), or a reason that the majority of the National Champions played that defense?  Really? Because if you do think the FCP has always been just an equal to the other defenses, you've had your head in the sand for way too long.

See, I wouldn't mind continuing to run a M2M or a Zone for that matter, were this a FREE game.  But since it's not and credits come with how far you advance in the NT, why should I play at a disadvantage and give money away?  And that is why I now will sell out, not because it's justified or some kind of self-rationalization (I bet you've been dying to use that phrase since your Psych 101 class, huh?  Not impressed, really), but because I'm not giving away free money anymore.  That better? 

Now if I'm wrong and Seble's "tweaks" are just that, which as I said before given WIS' track record I doubt will be just "tweaks" and probably more like an avalanche, then hey, great job by him.  But when they do turn into that avalanche and everyone starts running the press again, you gonna accuse them of "self-rationalization" also, or are you finally gonna see the light?

Oh, and by the way, some legit coaches won titles running the press, along with A LOT of flavor of the month schmucks.  Wonder why only a few of those coaches who won titles back when it was glitchy (and even the developer admitted it was glitchy) are still winning now and the rest of faded back to mediocrity since the press was put in line with the other D's?  Ever wonder that?  Says a whole lot that they can't win on equal footing, doesn't it?  So yes, the coaches who sold out, switched to press when it was glitchy, won themselves a title, and now can't win a second round game, yes, they are the schmucks you mentioned above.  I see you've got yourself a title.  You're not one of the sell out schmucks too, are you?  For some reason........ 

Lighten up. 

You really need to slow down with putting words in other people's mouths.  You do it in every single freaking thread you post in. 

1) I don't think the FCP is equal to other defenses - so there goes like 2/3rds of your rant
2) I never took Psych 101 - so there goes your latest pithy quip attempt
3) I didn't win my NT with the press.  I ran M2M at Yale.  So there goes your latest attempt at a clever closing dig at me.
4) I haven't run the press in almost 20 seasons in Allen and Phelan except for 2-3 seasons as part of a combo with M2M.  And then I only did it because I had a team that had a ton of upperclassmen and recruits that already knew the press and even then I only used it less than a half dozen times a season.
5) If you took half the time to look up my history as you take to come up with all this bullshit you're spewing you'd see that I've actually been MORE successful since the engine update and that neither of my teams runs the press.  But I guess it would be too much to ask for you to focus on the reality of what's being said and done instead of investing your time in trying to craft a bunch of stuff you wish I'd said or done.
6) I'm going to let the "troll the threads making hit and run comments" part just kind of sit there for a second so I can drink in the irony of your complete lack of self-awareness.
7) I'm not stalking you.  I don't even know you except to know that you lumber into the discussions on the forums, crap all over everyone with your condescending bullshit and have serious issues with reading comprehension.  And if someone calls you out for it you lose your mind and resort to things like spending 4 paragraphs blustering on and on about something I never even said.

So here's some real content that you'll probably not bother reacting to and, if you do, you'll just misinterpret it, make some bogus assumptions, and then tell me that I'm not adding any value:

I agree with what you're saying about the press to a certain extent.  I think when really good teams use it, its just about impossible to beat them.  And when I say "really good" I mean the top 10 teams in any world.  

But when the rest of the lemmings jump on board because they think its magic, its actually easier to beat them because the press has a ton of weaknesses unless its done with a lot of talent.   I've looked at multiple years worth of stats and, on average, the press generates TERRIBLE rebounding numbers.  As bad as or worse than the zone.  Again, I'm saying with equal talents levels...if you're loaded with 99 ATH/99 REB guys you can overcome that.  Also, unless FCP teams have some pretty sizeable ATH/SPD advantages, they give up significantly higher than average FG%.  Add to that the fact that most of the lemming coaches try to combine the FCP with constant up-tempo and its actually really easy to beat them.

I also see your point about the very real limitations of playing against the press in the NT because, at some point, you face the really good teams that are loaded and can run the FCP effectively.  But I personally think that's much less offensive and has less of an impact on the game than things like, say, baseline prestige advantages which ensure that some pretty mediocre coaches end up with talent-laden teams that are just as hard or harder to beat.

So chalk me up as a guy saying that even if these changes favor the press somewhat, its not that big of a deal.

Take some of your own advice and lighten up Cheez, the troll comment was directed at Pinkeye, not you.  Along with the stalker comment.  And about half the other stuff that I posted.  Wake up in a bad mood this morning?

Posted by emy1013 on 2/3/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Given WIS' track record of overcorrections in the past, I fully expect the FCP to once again become the dominant defense that it was before.  A lot of these little "tweaks" seem to certainly favor the FCP as opposed to the other defenses.  It certainly shouldn't take long to see whether this will be the case or not, but I'm saying it now:  I've got a realllly bad feeling about this.  I've almost always ran a M2M defense since I started playing HD, refusing to sell out to the whims of the engine like others did (nothing against those coaches, if they can live with knowing they were winning through "glitchy" means, then more power to 'em).  But if the Press does become dominant again, then I guess I'll have to join the list of sell-outs because I'm not competing on unequal footing again.

Posted by udm_mike on 2/4/2011 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 2/3/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Given WIS' track record of overcorrections in the past, I fully expect the FCP to once again become the dominant defense that it was before.  A lot of these little "tweaks" seem to certainly favor the FCP as opposed to the other defenses.  It certainly shouldn't take long to see whether this will be the case or not, but I'm saying it now:  I've got a realllly bad feeling about this.  I've almost always ran a M2M defense since I started playing HD, refusing to sell out to the whims of the engine like others did (nothing against those coaches, if they can live with knowing they were winning through "glitchy" means, then more power to 'em).  But if the Press does become dominant again, then I guess I'll have to join the list of sell-outs because I'm not competing on unequal footing again.

Sorry if this has been mentioned...but didn't they overcorrect in the 1st place and this is just a correction of that?

Posted by emy1013 on 2/4/2011 3:21:00 PM (view original):
Cheez, I remember you winning your title at Yale.  Think I had a team in Allen at the time (I've had so many teams in so many worlds I lose track after awhile.  Plus, I think I'm losing my mind in my old age)!  I seem to recall that there was a thread where everyone was up in arms about this little Ivy League school, with what most coaches were saying had average at best ratings for D1, who kept knocking off the big boys round-by-round.  I followed that team after I saw that thread and must say, that was an absolutely brilliant job of coaching you did with that squad (no sarcasm or smartassness intended, seriously).  I've been playing HD for several years now and I'll admit, I don't know how you were pulling off what would be considered upset after upset (I guess), but ironically enough the farther you went, and the more you kept ******* off the big school coaches, the more I was rooting for your squad.  Weird, huh?

I see you've also had really good success at Iowa.  Back-to-back Final Fours and a Championship game appearance a couple of seasons before that.  I must say, well done sir.  I've had some success with some D1 squads (NT at UCLA in Tark, couple of Final Fours and Elite Eights along the way), but can't come close to the run you've put together in Allen.  So.........congrats on that (see I bothered to take the time to check on that ( :^)

And by the way, in case I wasn't clear earlier, and I can see how you may have misinterpreted my post, I don't think you troll the forums.  In fact, it's obvious that you're a very well educated, intelligent person.  Another ironically enough coming up, I actually enjoy reading your posts because they are well written (can't stand words that are spelled wrong.  Just a personal pet peeve, I guess), have some sense to them, and usually contain some very helpful info.  Some of the other people that post, not so much, but yours are always nice to read.

Anyway, enough rambling.  Best of luck with your squads, and sorry that you took some of my posts to mean that I was referring to you.  They weren't. 

Posted by udm_mike on 2/4/2011 4:00:00 PM (view original):
Doesn't SDSU run the fcp this year?  They only have 8 players avg'ing over 10mpg and they seem to be doing pretty ok for themselves.

is that still a horse, cause I really can't recognize that sucker any more...

What IS most important is that everything IS real in our make-believe game we play on our computers in cyber space cause we all know... that is real.

Posted by jkline on 2/9/2011 4:24:00 AM (view original):
The engine change took place in Naismith after the second round of the CT.  Now, we are at the Final Four stage of the PI.  Of the 6 teams left playing (2 in the PI, 4 in the NT) in DIII, 5 of those teams run FCP. One of the Final Four FCP teams is coached by simmy and I have not seen a simmy coached team reach the Final Four of the NT before now.

The overall winning percentage of each defense is not the most important statistic, because I am not worried about being able to win a good percentage of my games.  I know I will continue to win playing man-to-man as long as my team is good.  That is not the issue.  The issue is what happens when good teams meet other good teams in the NT: will the teams that play FCP have an advantage and therefore attain the highest achievements more often?   We all understand that advancing in the NT is a roll of the dice.  The problem is if my odds are worse than another team's odds only because of the style of defense.  As I said before, how can I not feel like a fool for putting the time and effort into building a team around a strategy that I know (or at least suspect) is second rate, while anyone can simply choose the better base strategy and gain an instant advantage over me?