1.7 GPA Topic

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Posted by rednu on 2/18/2011 1:51:00 PM (view original):
I think its like any other category and the law of diminishing returns applies once you get up into the 20s and higher.

Once a player is ineligible though, I don't think he can improve in any other areas, so there's no "down" side to throwing all those minutes into study hall.

Personally, I've never gone higher than 20 minutes in study hall with a kid and only had one really that I questioned if he'd make the 2.0 after his midterm returned a juicy 1.4 GPA (and since he was a soph playing spot minutes, I really wasn't concerned if he flunked out of Rocks for Jocks...). The increase from 10 to 20 was enough to slide him in with a 2.0 at finals .
This is totally wrong.  He can still improve by practicing, he just can't play.  If you put all of his minutes into SH, his ratings are going to drop.  It's only players that come in as ineligibles that you should be putting all the SH minutes towards.

Edit***---should have read the whole thread, Billy beat me to it earlier.
2/18/2011 9:59 PM
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I don't know that diminishing returns applies to study hall.  If the player is important to your team this season, mortgage the farm and put 30+ into study hall.  If he's not that important and you want to roll the dice, put in 15-20 and hope he makes the grade.  I recently had a sophomore come back at midterms with a 1.5 GPA and 30 wasn't enough to save him.  It killed my tournament chances.
2/18/2011 10:23 PM
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hell I'd only bump that to about a 10
2/18/2011 10:27 PM
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Posted by emy1013 on 2/18/2011 10:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rednu on 2/18/2011 1:51:00 PM (view original):
I think its like any other category and the law of diminishing returns applies once you get up into the 20s and higher.

Once a player is ineligible though, I don't think he can improve in any other areas, so there's no "down" side to throwing all those minutes into study hall.

Personally, I've never gone higher than 20 minutes in study hall with a kid and only had one really that I questioned if he'd make the 2.0 after his midterm returned a juicy 1.4 GPA (and since he was a soph playing spot minutes, I really wasn't concerned if he flunked out of Rocks for Jocks...). The increase from 10 to 20 was enough to slide him in with a 2.0 at finals .
This is totally wrong.  He can still improve by practicing, he just can't play.  If you put all of his minutes into SH, his ratings are going to drop.  It's only players that come in as ineligibles that you should be putting all the SH minutes towards.

Edit***---should have read the whole thread, Billy beat me to it earlier.
As noted by both billy_g and emy1013, I'm an idiot and there is a difference between the ineligibles. 

Thanks for correcting me guys (guess I owe you a drink now)...apologies to anyone I misled. 
2/18/2011 10:56 PM
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No need to go so far as to call yourself an idiot Rednu, ha ha.  Chalk it up to misinterpreting the ineligible thing.  As long as it's straightened out and doesn't throw a new coach off track, it's all good.
2/18/2011 11:38 PM
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colonels who was that directed to?
2/19/2011 1:24 AM
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I usually do 7-8 minutes for a Freshman, 4-5 for a sophomore, 2-4 for a Junior, and 0-1 for a Senior. With a few players, I have to adjust up a little at midterm, but for most I am not having problems, and am able to use the minutes for improving their skills
2/20/2011 12:15 AM
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Posted by chapelhillne on 2/20/2011 12:15:00 AM (view original):
I usually do 7-8 minutes for a Freshman, 4-5 for a sophomore, 2-4 for a Junior, and 0-1 for a Senior. With a few players, I have to adjust up a little at midterm, but for most I am not having problems, and am able to use the minutes for improving their skills
wow.  this seems really low to me. 
2/20/2011 12:24 AM
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chapel's plan is completely in-line with how I handle SH.  The only things I would add is I go a bit higher on freshamn SH if the player's HS GPA was <= 2.5, I go a bit lower if his GPA after sophomore season is >=3.5 and no senior ever gets SH minutes. 
2/20/2011 1:36 AM
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Posted by chapelhillne on 2/20/2011 12:15:00 AM (view original):
I usually do 7-8 minutes for a Freshman, 4-5 for a sophomore, 2-4 for a Junior, and 0-1 for a Senior. With a few players, I have to adjust up a little at midterm, but for most I am not having problems, and am able to use the minutes for improving their skills
This is pretty close to what I use also.  I laugh every time I see someone post suggesting to start with 12-15-20 minutes for Freshmen.  What a serious waste of minutes.
2/20/2011 2:29 AM
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I just had a freshman go from 2.8 in the first semester  to a 1.4 at the second midterm, in spite of 8 minutes. I am going to try going with 20 minutes, which is very annoying, since he was improving fast. I think he was using study hall to study formations and game plans.
4/5/2011 7:51 AM
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Posted by chapelhillne on 2/20/2011 12:15:00 AM (view original):
I usually do 7-8 minutes for a Freshman, 4-5 for a sophomore, 2-4 for a Junior, and 0-1 for a Senior. With a few players, I have to adjust up a little at midterm, but for most I am not having problems, and am able to use the minutes for improving their skills

I start off with 5 for frosh, 3 for soph's, zero for upper classmen and then adjust from there.  If there's a stupid kid, then I dump 15-20 into him after the mid-terms.  Why spend study hall minutes on guys that don't need it?

4/5/2011 8:06 AM
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I recruited a guy with a 2.43 HS GPA. At 1st semester mid-terms he came in with a 1.2 GPA. I bumped him from 10 min to 30 min. I hope that is enough.
4/5/2011 10:28 AM
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Followup: 30 minutes wasn't enough.  My "genius" flunked out with a 1.9 GPA.  
4/12/2011 5:13 PM
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Unless guys had really bad high school GPAs I usually start them off with 0 study hall minutes and make adjustments when necessary... which is far less often than you'd think.  Probably 3/4 of my players have 3 or fewer SH minutes to stay eligible.
4/12/2011 5:25 PM
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