Was the offer fair, sure.  Would it prove anything?  Nope.  It would have to go on for 10-15 seasons before anything was established and plenty of debate could still be had.

i appreciate that you answered my question. i disagree that it wouldn't prove anything. i'm sure two teams deemed equal by both coaches or by the community would prove a little something. i don't think it would need 10-15 seasons to come to a conclusion either way.

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/23/2011 7:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/23/2011 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 2/23/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
U/S - if you got the goods, we'll all know soon enough, I would say half the really good d2/d3 coaches struggle with d1, the other half dominate it, billy definitely has done well in d1 .... interestingly, most sort of lose their d2/d3 skills when they just play d1, the two games are different .... d2/d3 seems a bit boring and sort of unfair when you get into playing d1, at least it did for me, although I do have one of each, mostly so I can answer sitemails asking for help and see the effects of the new engine on the different levels of the game.

as far as winning with all 99 ath / sp guys, it would be easy, except when you play in a conference where near everyone is that good and in a world, where 30 or 40 coaches have great teams, and have great resumes .... then all that is left is gameplanning and / or luck .... coaches like daalter, lostmyth and billyg and many before them, have had their share of luck at the d1 level, to the point most recognize it as a skill.  But, until you do it in the big leagues at the grown up table, many will be skeptical.

After your little exchange here with billy, going to be interesting to watch you coach in d1, obviously, we are expecting big things from you.

thats fine with me. i expect people are mature enough to realize i don't have a colorado of a team at d1. i skipped d2 and went to d1 at knight and had to take what i can get. i made that choice and i'm gonna see if i can excute the path i hoping will be there down the road. i understand i'm gonna have bumps in the road, but to see coach after coach acting like there is blood in the water cause i'm not succeeding with a bad team a d1 against one of the hardest schedule at d1 is a joke. my complaint in this thread is about gameplanning not winning or losing each contest. it is an overall view that i've seen a shift that started with my d2 team and has followed my d1 team. i didn't post cause of one low moment in a season.

and the end of the day i made a fair challenge to billy and he back peddled faster then a fat girl at a gym. instead of being a man he wants to have a showdown with his a+ prestige d2 school against my c+ prestige school. ooooh what a big man. if your gonna act like your hot stuff then deliver on your boasts, but if you can't handle it, then shut up. who doesn't think thats fair?????

LOL - does a fat girl really backpedal that quickly? maybe in your real life experiences, you have seen that happen many times, but i haven't!  ;)

also.. a colorado of a team? really, i took over a poor team there. of all the titles i've won, by far, i think my 1st at colorado is my most impressive. i can't even think of another candidate? especially because it was only my 7th d1 season... by d1 season 15, i had 5 titles, before i moved onto a total rebuild which coincided with a rapid loss of interest. so, there is your barometer if you want to show me up. good luck!

P.S. - i also took over a d+ team as my first in d1, to your c-, so you shouldn't have a problem =)

SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO ME!

Alright ugly...I want my cape back man...geez you give some people an inch..........lol

Guy makes me look sane/reasonable lol

Posted by colonels19 on 2/23/2011 10:13:00 PM (view original):

Alright ugly...I want my cape back man...geez you give some people an inch..........lol

Guy makes me look sane/reasonable lol

your welcome

im going to do my best to remember to bump this thread... monthly. i think monthly should be good.

i'll pay my rent and then i'll bump the thread. it'll be like a ritual. might start in a week or so if you guys don't mind.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/23/2011 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 2/23/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
U/S - if you got the goods, we'll all know soon enough, I would say half the really good d2/d3 coaches struggle with d1, the other half dominate it, billy definitely has done well in d1 .... interestingly, most sort of lose their d2/d3 skills when they just play d1, the two games are different .... d2/d3 seems a bit boring and sort of unfair when you get into playing d1, at least it did for me, although I do have one of each, mostly so I can answer sitemails asking for help and see the effects of the new engine on the different levels of the game.

as far as winning with all 99 ath / sp guys, it would be easy, except when you play in a conference where near everyone is that good and in a world, where 30 or 40 coaches have great teams, and have great resumes .... then all that is left is gameplanning and / or luck .... coaches like daalter, lostmyth and billyg and many before them, have had their share of luck at the d1 level, to the point most recognize it as a skill.  But, until you do it in the big leagues at the grown up table, many will be skeptical.

After your little exchange here with billy, going to be interesting to watch you coach in d1, obviously, we are expecting big things from you.

thats fine with me. i expect people are mature enough to realize i don't have a colorado of a team at d1. i skipped d2 and went to d1 at knight and had to take what i can get. i made that choice and i'm gonna see if i can excute the path i hoping will be there down the road. i understand i'm gonna have bumps in the road, but to see coach after coach acting like there is blood in the water cause i'm not succeeding with a bad team a d1 against one of the hardest schedule at d1 is a joke. my complaint in this thread is about gameplanning not winning or losing each contest. it is an overall view that i've seen a shift that started with my d2 team and has followed my d1 team. i didn't post cause of one low moment in a season.

and the end of the day i made a fair challenge to billy and he back peddled faster then a fat girl at a gym. instead of being a man he wants to have a showdown with his a+ prestige d2 school against my c+ prestige school. ooooh what a big man. if your gonna act like your hot stuff then deliver on your boasts, but if you can't handle it, then shut up. who doesn't think thats fair?????

Remember a month or two ago when I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII, and you got all indignant?

Looks like you're starting to find out.

And no one is looking at "blood in the water". Don't flatter yourself. No one cares if you win or lose. But you're coming out and making a claim that, logically, holds no water. The parts of the engine that you're claiming are completely different and whacked out were not touched. I have no doubt you'll start doing better in DI once you get your own players, figure out the lay of the land, etc. But if you're going to *****, it should be at least somewhat steeped in reality.

If you were back in D3 cruising to 20+ win seasons w. no problem, there is a 0% chance this thread would've been started. Zero.

Posted by dahsdebater on 2/23/2011 6:51:00 PM (view original):
I guess skunk must enjoy being Public Enemy #1.  He's just continued to be more and more of an arrogant douche for quite a while now...  Or else he actually thinks he's a dramatically superior coach to everyone else.  And has no interest in making cyber friends.  Which is understandable, really...  Cyber friends never give me that warm fuzzy feeling I look for in a friendship.

+1

U.S. it seems like you asked for peoples opinions on the new engine at the very beggining of this thread and then whenever someone gave one to you, you shot it down. Your kind of a dick.

That being said you could be the most entertaining user on these forums.

Well done sir.

Posted by girt25 on 2/24/2011 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/23/2011 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 2/23/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
U/S - if you got the goods, we'll all know soon enough, I would say half the really good d2/d3 coaches struggle with d1, the other half dominate it, billy definitely has done well in d1 .... interestingly, most sort of lose their d2/d3 skills when they just play d1, the two games are different .... d2/d3 seems a bit boring and sort of unfair when you get into playing d1, at least it did for me, although I do have one of each, mostly so I can answer sitemails asking for help and see the effects of the new engine on the different levels of the game.

as far as winning with all 99 ath / sp guys, it would be easy, except when you play in a conference where near everyone is that good and in a world, where 30 or 40 coaches have great teams, and have great resumes .... then all that is left is gameplanning and / or luck .... coaches like daalter, lostmyth and billyg and many before them, have had their share of luck at the d1 level, to the point most recognize it as a skill.  But, until you do it in the big leagues at the grown up table, many will be skeptical.

After your little exchange here with billy, going to be interesting to watch you coach in d1, obviously, we are expecting big things from you.

thats fine with me. i expect people are mature enough to realize i don't have a colorado of a team at d1. i skipped d2 and went to d1 at knight and had to take what i can get. i made that choice and i'm gonna see if i can excute the path i hoping will be there down the road. i understand i'm gonna have bumps in the road, but to see coach after coach acting like there is blood in the water cause i'm not succeeding with a bad team a d1 against one of the hardest schedule at d1 is a joke. my complaint in this thread is about gameplanning not winning or losing each contest. it is an overall view that i've seen a shift that started with my d2 team and has followed my d1 team. i didn't post cause of one low moment in a season.

and the end of the day i made a fair challenge to billy and he back peddled faster then a fat girl at a gym. instead of being a man he wants to have a showdown with his a+ prestige d2 school against my c+ prestige school. ooooh what a big man. if your gonna act like your hot stuff then deliver on your boasts, but if you can't handle it, then shut up. who doesn't think thats fair?????

Remember a month or two ago when I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII, and you got all indignant?

Looks like you're starting to find out.

And no one is looking at "blood in the water". Don't flatter yourself. No one cares if you win or lose. But you're coming out and making a claim that, logically, holds no water. The parts of the engine that you're claiming are completely different and whacked out were not touched. I have no doubt you'll start doing better in DI once you get your own players, figure out the lay of the land, etc. But if you're going to *****, it should be at least somewhat steeped in reality.

If you were back in D3 cruising to 20+ win seasons w. no problem, there is a 0% chance this thread would've been started. Zero.

that is about the dumbest post you've ever written. lets start with your first gem, "I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII" .......my comments as stated a gabillion times are based on one game at d1   and my d2 season that is about to end.

about the d1 game, in my opinion we should've won, while others said i was expected to lose. so your gonna take the first game that IIIIIII believed i could win and say, "Looks like you're starting to find out."....how stupid is this comment? what am i finding out? iiiiiiiii keep explaining to you......mr. slow guy that i have experienced the new update a full seasons worth at d2 and saw issues but i kept trying to overcome those changes. the reason i finally stopped holding my tongue on the issue was this last game against gtown. it finally sent me over the edge and i felt compelled to let everyone know that i see flaws in the system. i really shouldn't have to draw you a blueprint to what you already should know. 

so this has nothing to do with my outlook on d1, or a losing streak with a LOW LEVEL d1 school that i just picked up that also happens to have a HARD schedule. okay slow guy, can you keep up? i've explained this to you three times already and you keep pretending you don't hear me. i don't think i can make this any easier for you to get. 

most of the issues were observed at d2 where i did have success with the old engine and got to the final four of the pt with an ALL SOPHOMORE/FRESHMAN class, this season should have been an improvement and it wasn't. through the games i noticed that, all the issues i've mentioned since the beginning of this thread, had not been working the way they did before the latest update, then that is how i see it.

so please read carefully, maybe read it a few times before commenting since its getting dull correcting you all the time.

Posted by turtis21 on 2/24/2011 1:05:00 AM (view original):
U.S. it seems like you asked for peoples opinions on the new engine at the very beggining of this thread and then whenever someone gave one to you, you shot it down. Your kind of a dick.

That being said you could be the most entertaining user on these forums.

Well done sir.

to be fair i made my comments and i had the dumbest responses. if any other coach with a resume like mine says hey somethin isn't quite right since the new updates, most wouldn't have a gang of lunatics with no reading comprehension skills unleash a blitzkrieg of comments like, "oh he is whining" ..."oh he must be upset cause he lost"...........the thread was meant as a place to vent, and listen to other coaches opinions on the engine, but instead it became an indictment on my character.  
like it or not the new update is setup in a way that my old style of play is so far not effective.  i spent most of my d2 season trying to work around those issues, and like i said a gabillion times here that this past d1 game was the kicker. i'll tell you witnout a doubt in the old system i would've easily beat that gtown team and there isn't anyone who could tell me other wise.

btw i'm glad your entertained.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/24/2011 1:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/24/2011 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/23/2011 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 2/23/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
U/S - if you got the goods, we'll all know soon enough, I would say half the really good d2/d3 coaches struggle with d1, the other half dominate it, billy definitely has done well in d1 .... interestingly, most sort of lose their d2/d3 skills when they just play d1, the two games are different .... d2/d3 seems a bit boring and sort of unfair when you get into playing d1, at least it did for me, although I do have one of each, mostly so I can answer sitemails asking for help and see the effects of the new engine on the different levels of the game.

as far as winning with all 99 ath / sp guys, it would be easy, except when you play in a conference where near everyone is that good and in a world, where 30 or 40 coaches have great teams, and have great resumes .... then all that is left is gameplanning and / or luck .... coaches like daalter, lostmyth and billyg and many before them, have had their share of luck at the d1 level, to the point most recognize it as a skill.  But, until you do it in the big leagues at the grown up table, many will be skeptical.

After your little exchange here with billy, going to be interesting to watch you coach in d1, obviously, we are expecting big things from you.

thats fine with me. i expect people are mature enough to realize i don't have a colorado of a team at d1. i skipped d2 and went to d1 at knight and had to take what i can get. i made that choice and i'm gonna see if i can excute the path i hoping will be there down the road. i understand i'm gonna have bumps in the road, but to see coach after coach acting like there is blood in the water cause i'm not succeeding with a bad team a d1 against one of the hardest schedule at d1 is a joke. my complaint in this thread is about gameplanning not winning or losing each contest. it is an overall view that i've seen a shift that started with my d2 team and has followed my d1 team. i didn't post cause of one low moment in a season.

and the end of the day i made a fair challenge to billy and he back peddled faster then a fat girl at a gym. instead of being a man he wants to have a showdown with his a+ prestige d2 school against my c+ prestige school. ooooh what a big man. if your gonna act like your hot stuff then deliver on your boasts, but if you can't handle it, then shut up. who doesn't think thats fair?????

Remember a month or two ago when I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII, and you got all indignant?

Looks like you're starting to find out.

And no one is looking at "blood in the water". Don't flatter yourself. No one cares if you win or lose. But you're coming out and making a claim that, logically, holds no water. The parts of the engine that you're claiming are completely different and whacked out were not touched. I have no doubt you'll start doing better in DI once you get your own players, figure out the lay of the land, etc. But if you're going to *****, it should be at least somewhat steeped in reality.

If you were back in D3 cruising to 20+ win seasons w. no problem, there is a 0% chance this thread would've been started. Zero.

that is about the dumbest post you've ever written. lets start with your first gem, "I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII" .......my comments as stated a gabillion times are based on one game at d1   and my d2 season that is about to end.

about the d1 game, in my opinion we should've won, while others said i was expected to lose. so your gonna take the first game that IIIIIII believed i could win and say, "Looks like you're starting to find out."....how stupid is this comment? what am i finding out? iiiiiiiii keep explaining to you......mr. slow guy that i have experienced the new update a full seasons worth at d2 and saw issues but i kept trying to overcome those changes. the reason i finally stopped holding my tongue on the issue was this last game against gtown. it finally sent me over the edge and i felt compelled to let everyone know that i see flaws in the system. i really shouldn't have to draw you a blueprint to what you already should know. 

so this has nothing to do with my outlook on d1, or a losing streak with a LOW LEVEL d1 school that i just picked up that also happens to have a HARD schedule. okay slow guy, can you keep up? i've explained this to you three times already and you keep pretending you don't hear me. i don't think i can make this any easier for you to get. 

most of the issues were observed at d2 where i did have success with the old engine and got to the final four of the pt with an ALL SOPHOMORE/FRESHMAN class, this season should have been an improvement and it wasn't. through the games i noticed that, all the issues i've mentioned since the beginning of this thread, had not been working the way they did before the latest update, then that is how i see it.

so please read carefully, maybe read it a few times before commenting since its getting dull correcting you all the time.

LOL skunk, that is rich =)

"so this has nothing to do with my outlook on d1, or a losing streak with a LOW LEVEL d1 school that i just picked up that also happens to have a HARD schedule."

says the guy with 4 home games and only ONE opponent rated over 700. that is the easiest damn schedule i've seen in my life!! :)

if i had to guess why i'm seeing issues i would guess it is a blend of the fcp coming back to life with the fatigue adjustment, and as established in this thread a lack of rebounds from the reb adjustment. where in the past engine i could depend on the superior ath/spd totals of a big man overcoming lower reb ratings, i no longer can.

but with those questions answered i'm still left wondering how distros are off. i have many times between the d2 and d1 team experienced a new issue where large distro settings are not matching shooting attempts. maybe this could be explained with the assist adjustment that was added in the new update, but i'm not sure of that yet.

i also mentioned that double teams aren't working quite right. that is based on the fact that a season ago at d2 with lower iq players i was able to dominate an inferior ath/spd player. that is not occurring since the newest update.  to me that is an issue. 

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/24/2011 1:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/24/2011 1:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 2/24/2011 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 2/23/2011 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 2/23/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
U/S - if you got the goods, we'll all know soon enough, I would say half the really good d2/d3 coaches struggle with d1, the other half dominate it, billy definitely has done well in d1 .... interestingly, most sort of lose their d2/d3 skills when they just play d1, the two games are different .... d2/d3 seems a bit boring and sort of unfair when you get into playing d1, at least it did for me, although I do have one of each, mostly so I can answer sitemails asking for help and see the effects of the new engine on the different levels of the game.

as far as winning with all 99 ath / sp guys, it would be easy, except when you play in a conference where near everyone is that good and in a world, where 30 or 40 coaches have great teams, and have great resumes .... then all that is left is gameplanning and / or luck .... coaches like daalter, lostmyth and billyg and many before them, have had their share of luck at the d1 level, to the point most recognize it as a skill.  But, until you do it in the big leagues at the grown up table, many will be skeptical.

After your little exchange here with billy, going to be interesting to watch you coach in d1, obviously, we are expecting big things from you.

thats fine with me. i expect people are mature enough to realize i don't have a colorado of a team at d1. i skipped d2 and went to d1 at knight and had to take what i can get. i made that choice and i'm gonna see if i can excute the path i hoping will be there down the road. i understand i'm gonna have bumps in the road, but to see coach after coach acting like there is blood in the water cause i'm not succeeding with a bad team a d1 against one of the hardest schedule at d1 is a joke. my complaint in this thread is about gameplanning not winning or losing each contest. it is an overall view that i've seen a shift that started with my d2 team and has followed my d1 team. i didn't post cause of one low moment in a season.

and the end of the day i made a fair challenge to billy and he back peddled faster then a fat girl at a gym. instead of being a man he wants to have a showdown with his a+ prestige d2 school against my c+ prestige school. ooooh what a big man. if your gonna act like your hot stuff then deliver on your boasts, but if you can't handle it, then shut up. who doesn't think thats fair?????

Remember a month or two ago when I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII, and you got all indignant?

Looks like you're starting to find out.

And no one is looking at "blood in the water". Don't flatter yourself. No one cares if you win or lose. But you're coming out and making a claim that, logically, holds no water. The parts of the engine that you're claiming are completely different and whacked out were not touched. I have no doubt you'll start doing better in DI once you get your own players, figure out the lay of the land, etc. But if you're going to *****, it should be at least somewhat steeped in reality.

If you were back in D3 cruising to 20+ win seasons w. no problem, there is a 0% chance this thread would've been started. Zero.

that is about the dumbest post you've ever written. lets start with your first gem, "I commented to you how much harder it was to win at DI than at DIII" .......my comments as stated a gabillion times are based on one game at d1   and my d2 season that is about to end.

about the d1 game, in my opinion we should've won, while others said i was expected to lose. so your gonna take the first game that IIIIIII believed i could win and say, "Looks like you're starting to find out."....how stupid is this comment? what am i finding out? iiiiiiiii keep explaining to you......mr. slow guy that i have experienced the new update a full seasons worth at d2 and saw issues but i kept trying to overcome those changes. the reason i finally stopped holding my tongue on the issue was this last game against gtown. it finally sent me over the edge and i felt compelled to let everyone know that i see flaws in the system. i really shouldn't have to draw you a blueprint to what you already should know. 

so this has nothing to do with my outlook on d1, or a losing streak with a LOW LEVEL d1 school that i just picked up that also happens to have a HARD schedule. okay slow guy, can you keep up? i've explained this to you three times already and you keep pretending you don't hear me. i don't think i can make this any easier for you to get. 

most of the issues were observed at d2 where i did have success with the old engine and got to the final four of the pt with an ALL SOPHOMORE/FRESHMAN class, this season should have been an improvement and it wasn't. through the games i noticed that, all the issues i've mentioned since the beginning of this thread, had not been working the way they did before the latest update, then that is how i see it.

so please read carefully, maybe read it a few times before commenting since its getting dull correcting you all the time.

LOL skunk, that is rich =)

"so this has nothing to do with my outlook on d1, or a losing streak with a LOW LEVEL d1 school that i just picked up that also happens to have a HARD schedule."

says the guy with 4 home games and only ONE opponent rated over 700. that is the easiest damn schedule i've seen in my life!! :)

you must be joking or high. first off overall rating is a poor way to conclude how good a team is. one of many reasons? walk ons! you didn't do any research did yah? nah why bother with research when you can make silly comments. lets enlighten everyone......lets start with ohio state......overall rating is ....635, my goodness that is low...oh but wait, theres more. do they have walk ons that would lower that tally? oh yes they do. how many you ask? oh look 3....let me say that again...THREE WALK ONS! my goodness that must change the overall ratings quite a bit? why yes it does. whats the new overall avg? 701............lets go with door number two, vanderbilt, the one team by your faulty assessment is over 700........walk ons? you bet. how many? one.........ooh still gonna effect the tally.........so bump up that 746 total by a bit....................door number three is gtown which is rated in the six hundreds and even though higher then me, i felt i should've beat........so door number four......stanford....any walk ons? yup. how many? 2!......at first glance overall rating? 686....minus the 2 scrubs and you have a third team rated over 700.    

so once again why do you bother pointing out things that make you sound silly? like i said before any good coach knows overall ratings isn't a judge of whom is better then whom. when did durability ratings win championship?