I just got a wierd message from CS in response to a ticket that seemed indicate that sims were now continuing to drop money on recruits past their initial drop. Did I miss something? I lost a recruit to a sim that I was ahead on for over a day and a half (with a higher prestige) second day of signing.

Was their prestige better than yours?

Hmmm.  Sims put all there money in at 1st cycle I still think, but in cases like this I think considering credit gets you.

Whoops, should have seen the clearly defined fact you had higher prestige.

Can you post the ticket for deciphering.

I thought SIMs redeposited money right after the first round of signings.

Posted by cburton23 on 2/27/2011 11:32:00 AM (view original):
I thought SIMs redeposited money right after the first round of signings.

Even if that were the case, I never got a message from the recruit telling me I was trailing and he signed last day.

Here is the message I got from CS. It includes an idiot's guide to recruiting at the beginning (don't they ever look to see who is actually writing the ticket?). The interesting points are at the end. When I asked them to clarify, they sent the second message:

When a recruit is considering you among others, this means that you are one of perhaps several schools that he is seriously looking at attending. When other schools are on the considering list, you cannot assume that you will sign the player. You may be leading in the recruiting battle, but that can change at any point. What likely happened in your situation is that you never did enough to make the recruit commit to you and therefore allowed the sim school to stick around. Since these schools were still being considered, they continued to actively recruit the player. Your activity with this player then tailed off and the sim teams were able to convince the players to sign with them. In the future, if you go after the recruits a little harder and get the players to drop the sim teams from their considering lists, the sim teams will stop actively recruiting them and your path to signed recruits will be much easier.

Me:
So you are saying that the sims are now actively recruiting past their initial investment? When did that happen? Has never happened in the 5 years I've been coaching.

CS:
What has been outlined as always been the case in recruiting. There is nothing further to add. Thanks.

Me:
No. No. You need to explain what you just said. You just said "the sim teams were able to convince the players to sign with them" since I have a higher prestige and I WAS ahead. The player was "committed" to me based on email responses and Word on the Street, I'm not looking at the considering list, I'm looking at the two things we know indicate leaders, WOTS and player response emails.
Consideration credit would only build in my favor due to my higher prestigee, so the only way to "convince" a player would be for the sim to drop more money.

Is that what you are saying? That the sims are now dropping money after their initial investment.

wow, keep us posted on this fiasco

i was always under the impression that sims continue to drop effort (credits) on a plyer until they hae been knocked out.

That woudl be a new development. I've never lost a guy to a sim that I've been ahead on even if they are still being considered.

The player was considering both of you. You may have been leading but you never said you where the only one being considered. I would question it only if you where the only one considered and the sim droped more money. I thought sims only spent at start and end but will now add right after signings as a sim recruiting tool.

Posted by doomey on 2/27/2011 6:21:00 PM (view original):
That woudl be a new development. I've never lost a guy to a sim that I've been ahead on even if they are still being considered.

I have seen sims get considered on undecided players during the last day of signing as well, aka dumping effort on new players. Just food for though. 

Posted by doomey on 2/27/2011 6:21:00 PM (view original):
That woudl be a new development. I've never lost a guy to a sim that I've been ahead on even if they are still being considered.

this is correct, it would be more like GD if this is true     

Posted by cburton23 on 2/27/2011 11:32:00 AM (view original):
I thought SIMs redeposited money right after the first round of signings.

Yes -- but they don't redeposit money on the guys who'd already been considering them, they redeposit in on new, undecided players that they hadn't previously recruited.

They do not continue to put additional funds into players that they recruited from the get-go. What may have happened is that doomey had a very slight edge and then their considering credit overtook him. That has happened before, although I believe it was supposed to have been fixed.

Posted by girt25 on 2/28/2011 8:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 2/27/2011 11:32:00 AM (view original):
I thought SIMs redeposited money right after the first round of signings.

Yes -- but they don't redeposit money on the guys who'd already been considering them, they redeposit in on new, undecided players that they hadn't previously recruited.

They do not continue to put additional funds into players that they recruited from the get-go. What may have happened is that doomey had a very slight edge and then their considering credit overtook him. That has happened before, although I believe it was supposed to have been fixed.

How is that something that needs to be fixed?

Posted by tianyi7886 on 2/27/2011 5:44:00 PM (view original):
i was always under the impression that sims continue to drop effort (credits) on a plyer until they hae been knocked out.

This is definatly true for GD (SIMs put in some effort every turn) ... I am not sure about HD.

I know that in neither place do they go after recruits that are not considering them until after signings ... (in GD, they never do, in HD they only do after signings begin).