I know that IQ is important, but who was it, where was it that I read about which offenses performed better with higher IQs and which ones could get by with less than great IQs?  Any theories.   
2/24/2011 10:33 AM
Out of the 3 main offenses, I think Triangle values IQs the most followed by the Flex, then the Motion. That's just me though. 
2/24/2011 2:55 PM
There was a post in a recent thread about this and can't find it... 
2/24/2011 3:19 PM
the flex is the easiest to improve in the beginning:  its a bit difficult to explain let me try this.  if player one(jones) and player 2(smith) enter college the same year.  jones is in the flex and smith a motion, and both are F's in their respective offenses.  then what u will see is smith grade rise quicker to a certain pt (b- it seems to me then it becomes slower the higher your grade goes.  where smith would take longer getting there, but the offense is more complex and if they both were A+ then the motion is more effect.  because flex is easier frosh catch on quicker than they do with motion.  don't know how fcp and troangle  i've never used them.. this may have chagrd at some pt, but a few years back it worked this way.  there used to a memorandum posted about all the offenses and d's,i couldn't find it now though
2/27/2011 5:07 AM
I've never seen anything to make me believe that one set improves grades quicker than another.  In fact, I'd say they all improve at the identical same pace.

However, that doesn't mean that one set isn't more efficient at a lower grade than another.
2/27/2011 11:25 PM

Agreed Iggy.  There was a great post that I read.  I thought it referred to flex being the most dependent on higher IQs--that's to say it may have been less efficient than others at c-, but more efficient than others at A-.  Kap, what in the hell are you talking about?

2/28/2011 2:04 PM
I've noticed the press is horrendous until you get to around the b/b+ range.
2/28/2011 2:54 PM
flex is the simplest i'm certain of, i think motion is the most difficult
8/22/2011 11:18 AM
I agree that the Flex is less dependent on IQs...but I strongly refute the notion than a given offensive set allows for quicker improvement.  It's simply not true.
8/22/2011 11:30 AM

There used to be a pinned thread that stated clearly that Flex did not require a high IQ, and the Motion did.  That is consistent with my experience and it makes sense.  In real life Flex is relatively easy to learn.  It is also relatively easy to defend.  But, even though it can be easy to defend you can take advantage of matchups and be very effective.  Although that is more based on skills and coaching rather than IQ.

The advantage of the Flex is that you can play a 3 or even 4 guard offenses if you like.  Flex puts all 5 players on the outside, or at least 4 with high post/screener.  The idea is to move the quickly around the outside until you create a gap to either shoot or take your man off the dribble.

Motion requires the highest IQ because it requires a series of complex motions and sets to create the desired opening, which many times can be the back door cut.   It can be very complicated and requires a lot of patience.  Think of the Princeton offense and it make more sense.

Triangle is a three man game but does require a set of motions to create the triangle with the two weak side players holding their defenders outside, making back side cuts to the basket, or maneuvering for a backside or crosscourt pass for an open three.  Like I said, a little more complicated than Flex.

Fast Break also requires smart play and a higher IQ to avoid forcing the ball or turning it over. But it does not require as high an IQ as Motion.  I would put it at the same level as Triangle.

Now, all of this is based on previous threads and my experience.  I have always thought that you need a lot of "A" IQs to play Motion; at least "B" IQs for Triangle and FB; and you can get away with "C" IQs with Flex.  I still try to get the "A" and "B"s with IQs Flex (by the time they are SRs), but it doesn't bother me to put in a FR or SO with a "C".    It's been while since I have played Triangle and I have never played FB, and there are always changes to the engine.  So other may have different thoughts or experiences.

 

8/22/2011 12:42 PM (edited)
Ironically, very few real life coaches run pure version of these offenses.  The high ball screen is very popular and is typically run out of the Flex, but can be used to start a Motion or set up a Traingle.  Some coaches also like to push the ball up and will take the Fast Break if it is there, but do so more to start their offense before the defense can get set up (Uptempo).  Coaches in real life blend bits and pieces of all 4 to make their offense.
8/22/2011 12:51 PM
Posted by Iguana1 on 2/27/2011 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I've never seen anything to make me believe that one set improves grades quicker than another.  In fact, I'd say they all improve at the identical same pace.

However, that doesn't mean that one set isn't more efficient at a lower grade than another.
I've gotta agree with this.
8/22/2011 1:33 PM

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