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brip87
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this is becoming a joke.  hd is making ppl quit wiht this ****.  maybe im pesamistic but im on the verge of throwing in the towle
3/6/2011 1:25 AM
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yeah... i find that CS response a pile of bull ****. there are about 1000 school going into that total. does seble think we are really dumb enough to think that over 1000 schools, there are about 50% more scholarships open everywhere but tark?
3/6/2011 2:03 AM
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If it happens again, then I'll be legit upset. 
3/6/2011 3:42 AM
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billy you know anyone who is good at programming? ive got a lot of swell ideas and a lot of resources, let's branch out and call it "aejonessportssimulation.com?"

3/6/2011 3:48 AM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 3/6/2011 1:17:00 AM (view original):
from CS:

Jeff,

The overall number of recruits is correct. The number generated for a world is based on the number of anticipated openings (which is total walkons and graduating players). So the number of recruits will vary some from season to season and world to world. One issue might be that the slotting of recruits for a particular division/prestige level was off after the release on 2/3. This problem was addressed on 2/16, but the recruits for Tark were generated before that release so they were not affected. So for this recruiting season you may need to look outside your normal search parameters to find the expected number of players.
I don't know if I'm more dismayed by CS' response or to learn that your name isn't really Billy ;)
3/6/2011 9:03 AM
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Just noticed this thread about the Tark recruits.  To quickly clarify:

- Total number of recruits generated is 15% above the number of projected openings in a world. 

- Projected openings is graduating seniors plus walkons.

- The number of recruits vs. openings in Tark was in line with the 15% number.

- Tark did have a low number of openings this season compared to normal.

- The numbers you see in FSS are the number of currently unsigned recruits, so once signings begin those numbers decrease.  Also, internationals are not included


3/6/2011 11:16 AM
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Posted by seble on 3/6/2011 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Just noticed this thread about the Tark recruits.  To quickly clarify:

- Total number of recruits generated is 15% above the number of projected openings in a world. 

- Projected openings is graduating seniors plus walkons.

- The number of recruits vs. openings in Tark was in line with the 15% number.

- Tark did have a low number of openings this season compared to normal.

- The numbers you see in FSS are the number of currently unsigned recruits, so once signings begin those numbers decrease.  Also, internationals are not included


No recruits are signed in either pool. 
3/6/2011 12:05 PM
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well, i guess seble beat me to it, but here is the update of the ticket anyway :

3/6/2011 1:24 AM coach_billyg
Hi,
I realize there is some variation in the # of open scholarships. However, I am not looking at a recruit search - I am looking at the FSS map. That is based off the entire nation - d1, d2, and d3. There are about a thousand schools in the pool - that is a huge sample size to see the variation you are suggesting. This sounds like a one in a trillion type thing, I am extremely skeptical something else did not go wrong.

Some people summed the total # of recruits - again, which should be higher in tark, if anything (on average), because the transfers exist in tark but not outside tark.

One coach says: in Phelan there are 3833 recruits covered by FSS give or take a couple of states I may have repeated when counting in Tark it's 2062

another says: Allen has something like 4200 

What is the total # of open scholarships in this world? If you don't know, then I urge you to look into this more closely - there is no way you can expect this kind of wild variation in # of scholarships without verification!!!

Thanks,
Jeff
3/6/2011 11:01 AM Customer Support
I've looked at the numbers (total openings vs. total recruits), and the numbers are as expected. What you can't see is the total number of openings in the world.

 

 
3/6/2011 12:07 PM
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i am not sure about that 2062 number in tark, looks way off to me counting myself. so maybe that is why it seems so far off.
Real numbers:
Tark :   3042
Rupp:  3621

that is a lot more plausible

implied # of scholarships
Tark:    2645
Rupp:  3148

3/6/2011 12:12 PM
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still seems pretty big... 984 schools, that is an avg # of openings of 2.688 per school to 3.199 per school.

but if the allen figure (which i can't check) is correct, 4200 to 3621 to 3042 is not really much different. 
3/6/2011 12:18 PM
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i suppose the # of sims would heavily impact the # of walkons, so if tark has less coaches that the other places, that would sort of make sense
3/6/2011 12:21 PM
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but that would make Tark have more recruits, not less
3/6/2011 12:52 PM
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My bad I just realized the 2062 number was off. I selected all states to scout and the number was 2062 but I didn't realize that # didn't include the 980 recruits that were already counted for the states I already scouted. So Billy is correct that the actual # is 3042. But still an 800 player gap between Phelan and Tark, seems to be a huge number.

3/6/2011 2:38 PM
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I had a hard time recruiting the other way & now everything changes I was wondering why so many big schools were after the same players I was!

BOOO!

Recruiting is hard enough unless you are a big school!

This is foolishness - Whether there are more or less scholarships should not determine how many players are ready to play.

3/6/2011 9:06 PM (edited)
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i am really struggling to believe that 2.7 scholarships per team number... i have till the end of recruiting to run something to check every team's open spots, and come up with the avg. i wish seble would just come out and say it, i don't see any reason not to, seble has twice said the numbers justify the # of openings.
3/6/2011 3:41 PM
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