Pulldown advice for new coaches Topic

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If you want advice on pulling down recruits, sitemail me, I'll be glad to help. 

Whatever you do, DO NOT seek or listen to the advice of jbrewman1. I am only saying this because he is a font of mis-information. Take this for what it is worth. If you want my help, ask. If you think I'm full of bs and just chose to run this guy down for no reason, listen to him. If you do the latter, please join my conferences...

ETA (3/10 15:00: Regardless of the fact that this silly debate has now spilled into this thread. My initial post here stands. New coaches, please, if you have taken the time to come to the forums to learn how to do pulldowns, and don't feel like first learning the wrong way because you are new and therefore too unsophisticated to understand how to do things right, please sitemail me for advice).
4/17/2011 5:34 AM (edited)
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No doubt, that jbrewman1 is one shady fellow.

3/9/2011 4:18 PM
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if i find out he is the brew master for great lakes ale or some other small brewery i am fond of, then i am going to reverse my stance, and will totally switch to wasting 100 dollars per recruit to maybe or maybe not find out the same information i could get for sure for 10!!
3/9/2011 4:28 PM
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You get what you pay for fellas, Shady???? lol 
3/9/2011 4:33 PM
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Posted by jbrewman1 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
You get what you pay for fellas, Shady???? lol 
I just finished reading the other pulldown thread, and had already posted here before I knew what really was up. I don't totally understand your initial scholarship method jbrew, but since you consistently make the top recruiting list, have ranked teams, and make the post season, I must admit there is a method to your madness.

Also, having corresponded with jbrewman1 almost daily in a coaches corner for several seasons now, I can say without a doubt that he would never purposefully mislead anyone for malicious or deceitful reasons. However, he is shady for beating me in both our conference games this season, haha.
3/9/2011 4:55 PM
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It took me a while but I think I can understand jbrewman's strategy if you have 1 recruit or just a few recruits you really like that you want to pull down.  If they turn you down you get your $100 back.  If they consider you and you go after them hard then it makes sense because you have already offered them the scholarship.  It does seem riskier though because if a higher division team goes after them you are out more $$ and have less backup options to look at.

If you want to check out a lot of players to see if they'll consider you then I think the $10 phone call is the way to go.  
3/10/2011 12:00 AM
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Posted by nachopuzzle on 3/9/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jbrewman1 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
You get what you pay for fellas, Shady???? lol 
I just finished reading the other pulldown thread, and had already posted here before I knew what really was up. I don't totally understand your initial scholarship method jbrew, but since you consistently make the top recruiting list, have ranked teams, and make the post season, I must admit there is a method to your madness.

Also, having corresponded with jbrewman1 almost daily in a coaches corner for several seasons now, I can say without a doubt that he would never purposefully mislead anyone for malicious or deceitful reasons. However, he is shady for beating me in both our conference games this season, haha.
nacho, that may mean that he's good at picking out talented players, but it doesn't mean he's smart/efficient re: how he chooses to recruit them.

And I don't know him, but I would doubt he's misleading anyone on purpose. I think think he has a less-than-optimum way that he approaches that aspect of the game, but just truly hasn't realized that it's less-than-optimum.
3/10/2011 12:07 AM
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Posted by girt25 on 3/10/2011 12:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by nachopuzzle on 3/9/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jbrewman1 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
You get what you pay for fellas, Shady???? lol 
I just finished reading the other pulldown thread, and had already posted here before I knew what really was up. I don't totally understand your initial scholarship method jbrew, but since you consistently make the top recruiting list, have ranked teams, and make the post season, I must admit there is a method to your madness.

Also, having corresponded with jbrewman1 almost daily in a coaches corner for several seasons now, I can say without a doubt that he would never purposefully mislead anyone for malicious or deceitful reasons. However, he is shady for beating me in both our conference games this season, haha.
nacho, that may mean that he's good at picking out talented players, but it doesn't mean he's smart/efficient re: how he chooses to recruit them.

And I don't know him, but I would doubt he's misleading anyone on purpose. I think think he has a less-than-optimum way that he approaches that aspect of the game, but just truly hasn't realized that it's less-than-optimum.
Ya, I'm not defending his recruiting strategy, and I definitely share the practical criticisms put forth by other users. However, some of the claims and comments (most in the other thread) about him were very overreaching and I just wanted to be there to help out in a pinch.   
3/10/2011 1:22 AM
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Posted by juandetang on 3/10/2011 12:00:00 AM (view original):
It took me a while but I think I can understand jbrewman's strategy if you have 1 recruit or just a few recruits you really like that you want to pull down.  If they turn you down you get your $100 back.  If they consider you and you go after them hard then it makes sense because you have already offered them the scholarship.  It does seem riskier though because if a higher division team goes after them you are out more $$ and have less backup options to look at.

If you want to check out a lot of players to see if they'll consider you then I think the $10 phone call is the way to go.  
I may be mistaken but isn't a scholarship the 1 thing you don't get your money back for if it's rejected? Honestly it's been a while since I got a scholarship offer rejected so I don't really remember. When I first started playing the game I used to send a scholarship ofer to find out if I could recruit a player and then I found out the phone call gets you the same information and have never gone back to the scholarship method.
3/10/2011 2:23 AM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 3/10/2011 2:23:00 AM (view original):
Posted by juandetang on 3/10/2011 12:00:00 AM (view original):
It took me a while but I think I can understand jbrewman's strategy if you have 1 recruit or just a few recruits you really like that you want to pull down.  If they turn you down you get your $100 back.  If they consider you and you go after them hard then it makes sense because you have already offered them the scholarship.  It does seem riskier though because if a higher division team goes after them you are out more $$ and have less backup options to look at.

If you want to check out a lot of players to see if they'll consider you then I think the $10 phone call is the way to go.  
I may be mistaken but isn't a scholarship the 1 thing you don't get your money back for if it's rejected? Honestly it's been a while since I got a scholarship offer rejected so I don't really remember. When I first started playing the game I used to send a scholarship ofer to find out if I could recruit a player and then I found out the phone call gets you the same information and have never gone back to the scholarship method.
Its been a while since I paid attention to getting the $ back from a rejection - usually I am just ****** that another mid major stole my pulldown

But I did look in the FAQ. It says you don't get scholarship offer $ back period. So I'm taking them at their word and saying no, which confirms my initial belief that I understand this aspect of pulldowns.
3/10/2011 5:09 AM
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wow...giant smiley!
3/10/2011 5:09 AM
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Posted by juandetang on 3/10/2011 12:00:00 AM (view original):
It took me a while but I think I can understand jbrewman's strategy if you have 1 recruit or just a few recruits you really like that you want to pull down.  If they turn you down you get your $100 back.  If they consider you and you go after them hard then it makes sense because you have already offered them the scholarship.  It does seem riskier though because if a higher division team goes after them you are out more $$ and have less backup options to look at.

If you want to check out a lot of players to see if they'll consider you then I think the $10 phone call is the way to go.  
I was wrong.  I'm not sure why I thought you got that money back.  It's been a while since I've paid attention.

Unless you think they early scholarship credit is worth it this strategy doesn't make sense.
3/10/2011 9:59 AM
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Let me close the book on this subject. It was about D3 recruiting and pulling guys down. If I had 3 open schollies, i'd have 6 guys on my board. Three would be my wants and three would fill my needs. I would spend 360 on the first cycle. Three schollies and 6 phone calls. If my three schollies were left open then I have my guys. No wasted phone calls to anyone else. That was all I was saying and I would recommend that to anyone. Oh yeah that was a giant smiley!!!!... 
3/10/2011 10:26 AM
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jbrewman1, do you find that the scholly offer in cycle 1 gets you on the considering list typically? 
3/10/2011 10:40 AM
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Posted by jbrewman1 on 3/10/2011 10:26:00 AM (view original):
Let me close the book on this subject. It was about D3 recruiting and pulling guys down. If I had 3 open schollies, i'd have 6 guys on my board. Three would be my wants and three would fill my needs. I would spend 360 on the first cycle. Three schollies and 6 phone calls. If my three schollies were left open then I have my guys. No wasted phone calls to anyone else. That was all I was saying and I would recommend that to anyone. Oh yeah that was a giant smiley!!!!... 


A recruit can reject your scholarship offer when he's not considering you, and yet still be recruitable. 

And you made the phone calls to all 6 players anyway. Only diff between what you do and what everyone else does is you throw an extra $100 for 3 of those players. 

3/10/2011 10:43 AM
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