800 Rated D3 Player? Topic

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damn jones, that guy really did turn out awesome. i hate to say it though, i still feel like narcotico's guy was better. i feel like your guy is a great d2 guard, which is sick. but i felt like narcoticos guy would regularly play on my a+ prestige d1 team. i think he had like 85 ath and 95 spd, but only like 55 def, and near 100 per with better bh/pass. i don't remember exactly but it was thereabouts i think. can't remember his reb or lp.
3/11/2011 1:02 AM
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or maybe he only had 85 per but almost perfect bh/pass.
3/11/2011 1:02 AM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/11/2011 12:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by aejones on 3/11/2011 12:41:00 AM (view original):
i would just be curious who has better ratings than him, i can't see how its possible
Well, the guy I posted is on pace to finish at 780, and that's w/o a RS year. Had a horrendous first 3 games and I didn't feel like loading up his distro to the 30s, because I got  another great offensive weapon in the starting 5. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3038&pid=1667231
this guy is not on the same level as brown because ath is the most important skill in the same engine.

great player though for sure.

also, he had a RS season, but he was a juco...

3/11/2011 1:36 AM
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Posted by gillispie on 3/11/2011 1:02:00 AM (view original):
damn jones, that guy really did turn out awesome. i hate to say it though, i still feel like narcotico's guy was better. i feel like your guy is a great d2 guard, which is sick. but i felt like narcoticos guy would regularly play on my a+ prestige d1 team. i think he had like 85 ath and 95 spd, but only like 55 def, and near 100 per with better bh/pass. i don't remember exactly but it was thereabouts i think. can't remember his reb or lp.
that does sound better, but if brown had another season to max he might be better! (brown would've probably gotten to 85 def, and with def being as important as it is, it could've made up for the bh/passing discrepancy, maybe-- plus there's the rebounding!)
3/11/2011 1:37 AM
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Posted by aejones on 3/11/2011 1:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/11/2011 12:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by aejones on 3/11/2011 12:41:00 AM (view original):
i would just be curious who has better ratings than him, i can't see how its possible
Well, the guy I posted is on pace to finish at 780, and that's w/o a RS year. Had a horrendous first 3 games and I didn't feel like loading up his distro to the 30s, because I got  another great offensive weapon in the starting 5. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3038&pid=1667231
this guy is not on the same level as brown because ath is the most important skill in the same engine.

great player though for sure.

also, he had a RS season, but he was a juco...

JUCO still gets extra points of growth. So your guy is at 4 years of growth + the additional 40 or so from being JUCO.

You can say these guys are not at the same level, but stats wise, I don't see much of a diff. And I think this guy rated a tad below 700 is more efficient than both of the 700+ rated players we have. Shooting .500 from the field with all his shots being from 3pt land. 

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=4770&pid=1636444
3/11/2011 8:19 AM
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Posted by aejones on 3/11/2011 12:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 2/9/2011 3:02:00 AM (view original):
Dude, I'm not saying he's not good.  But apparently the revelation that he's not crazy dominant on the offensive end is too much for you?  Even though the evidence is right in front of you?
he is not dominant on the offensive end, only 25 ppg on over 60% true shooting, LOL
Jones, I am going to goad you a bit (in part because you always beat me) but also, because I think J. Brown didn't play as well as his numbers would suggst.  60% TS is good, but not amazing, even for a volume shooter.  Take a look at the D3 scoring leaders in difference worlds, you will find many that shoot much better TS% and, being a scoring leader, obviously were high volume.  On paper, J. Brown is the best player I've seen.  He just never translated it into being as efficiently dominate as one would expect.
Take Micheal Haislip for example.  http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1695512

Career points - 2368 with starting only 3 years.  No idea what his ratings were, but he shoot 67% TS at a high volume.  His just one of many examples.  J. Brown gets a big bump because of his defense and rebounding, but no, I would not call him a crazy dominante offensive player, depsite his points total....too inefficient.
3/11/2011 10:00 AM
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If you want to base things on performance Brown isn't even close to John Donner, even ratings wise it's close, although I'd give Brown the edge http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=13655&pid=1710927. However based on performance Donner is the best player in Knight D3, 22.1ppg, 8.7 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 53.4% from the field and 76.8 from the line, 1.44 points per shot and a true shooting % of 72.3. Donner is easily the best big man I've ever had at D3.

3/11/2011 3:25 PM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 3/11/2011 3:25:00 PM (view original):

If you want to base things on performance Brown isn't even close to John Donner, even ratings wise it's close, although I'd give Brown the edge http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=13655&pid=1710927. However based on performance Donner is the best player in Knight D3, 22.1ppg, 8.7 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 53.4% from the field and 76.8 from the line, 1.44 points per shot and a true shooting % of 72.3. Donner is easily the best big man I've ever had at D3.

how do you get true shooting % of 72.3% for that bigman?
3/11/2011 3:31 PM
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Weddington's efg is at 72.7% at pretty decent volume (18ppg). I can probably jack it up to 20ppg w/o any real dropoff in performance. 
3/11/2011 3:33 PM
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600 points on 415 shots, 300 2 pointers would be 600 points 300/415 is 72.3. That's the way I understand to calculate true shooting percentage, but I way prefer points per shot, over true shooting percent because everybody's TSP looks good, even All Iverson had a TSP of around 55%.
3/11/2011 3:45 PM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 3/11/2011 3:45:00 PM (view original):
600 points on 415 shots, 300 2 pointers would be 600 points 300/415 is 72.3. That's the way I understand to calculate true shooting percentage, but I way prefer points per shot, over true shooting percent because everybody's TSP looks good, even All Iverson had a TSP of around 55%.
True Shooting %: PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA))

TS%
True Shooting Percentage; the formula is PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)). True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws.
 
3/11/2011 3:51 PM
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Just for the benefit of any newbies who've somehow managed to stick around this long on this thread: overall rating means nothing. Focus on cores, WE and IQs.
3/11/2011 3:55 PM
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Your C is at 59.34% in TS%, Weddington is at 73.13%. aejones's player is at 60.33%.

Your "pt per shot" overstates a low post players value because they draw more shooting fouls, so they can be scoring points (2 free throws) and using up a possession w/o logging a shot attempt. 


An example of Pt/shot gone awry. He's logging in at 1.61 pt/shot for his career bc he took so many FTs. 

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1671579
3/11/2011 3:58 PM (edited)
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/11/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Your C is at 59.34% in TS%, Weddington is at 73.13%. aejones's player is at 60.33%.

Your "pt per shot" overstates a low post players value because they draw more shooting fouls, so they can be scoring points (2 free throws) and using up a possession w/o logging a shot attempt. 
but drawing a foul is pretty valuable, so while pt per shot is overestimating the value of an offensive player by not logging a shot attempt, i think it is effectively offset by the value of drawing a foul, on average.
3/11/2011 3:57 PM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 3/11/2011 3:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/11/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Your C is at 59.34% in TS%, Weddington is at 73.13%. aejones's player is at 60.33%.

Your "pt per shot" overstates a low post players value because they draw more shooting fouls, so they can be scoring points (2 free throws) and using up a possession w/o logging a shot attempt. 
but drawing a foul is pretty valuable, so while pt per shot is overestimating the value of an offensive player by not logging a shot attempt, i think it is effectively offset by the value of drawing a foul, on average.
Fair enough. I agree drawing fouls are valuable, but aejones bumped this thread from a month ago to prove that his player is very efficient offensively. I simply don't think he is that efficient and doesn't justify the huge distro. And personally, no matter how many fouls you draw with a bigman (unless it's something absurd like 25 fouls and the opponent's entire team fouls out), there's no way for a bigman to beat the offensive efficiency of a 3 pt shooter going at a 50% clip from 3pt land. 
3/11/2011 4:02 PM
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