Conventional wisdom dictates guards with high SPD ratings in all 3 divisions.  That fits very well with the real world model.

But what about a guard who has high ATH and low to mediocre SPD?  How would you play him?  Would you expect him to score much, given decent LP/PER ratings?  Would you want him to have higher LP so he could use his athleticism inside or does ATH improve his scoring from anywhere on the floor, and SPD would simply limit him on drives?

I ask because a couple of the guards I'm scouting for next season fit this situation and I'm trying to figure out how I would use them.

If they can rebound at all, I usually put them at SF. I've had some guys who were clearly SF's but were listed as guards. They turned out to be tremendous scorers but I wouldn't really consider playing them at SG with mediocre speed.

In my view, it's all a holistic equation, like .4ath+.45spd+.2lp+.2per+.25bh = offensive efficiency. So guards with 100 ath 50 spd can score well. 

Case in point:
http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=12735&pid=1752716

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/13/2011 2:06:00 PM (view original):
In my view, it's all a holistic equation, like .4ath+.45spd+.2lp+.2per+.25bh = offensive efficiency. So guards with 100 ath 50 spd can score well. 

Case in point:
http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=12735&pid=1752716

You play him at sf though.

Honestly, I'm glad he's been effective for you, but I don't think that guy should be nearly as effective a scorer as he is.

Posted by girt25 on 3/13/2011 2:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/13/2011 2:06:00 PM (view original):
In my view, it's all a holistic equation, like .4ath+.45spd+.2lp+.2per+.25bh = offensive efficiency. So guards with 100 ath 50 spd can score well. 

Case in point:
http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=12735&pid=1752716

You play him at sf though.

Honestly, I'm glad he's been effective for you, but I don't think that guy should be nearly as effective a scorer as he is.

Maybe the fcp defense is helping him a little. My team generates alot of steals and some fast break chances. I agree he shouldn't be an effective scorer given the lp and per, but this engine clearly favors ath/spd/bh combo on offense, so I'm going to take advantage of it. 

But on the other hand, per shooters with 90-100per will be more efficient on offense than this guy. I have a 3pt shooter going for almost 20ppg while shooting almost .500 from 3pt land. That's true efficiency. 

tianyi-you're also playing a very weak schedule.  When your toughest game is against a pretty bad Roanoke team, all your guys will be putting up good numbers.

It still bothers me that guys like that score so easily.  Especially now that LP is being defined more broadly as inside scoring ability/scoring at the rim.  When we were actually supposed to believe that LP was effectiveness in the low post it was moderately believable that a fast guy with good athleticism and ball handling could be a slasher.  Now he can't finish...

Posted by sublightd on 3/13/2011 1:58:00 PM (view original):
If they can rebound at all, I usually put them at SF. I've had some guys who were clearly SF's but were listed as guards. They turned out to be tremendous scorers but I wouldn't really consider playing them at SG with mediocre speed.

This is another concern I have.  One of the recruits I'm scouting who has high ATH, mediocre SPD is also a sub-par rebounder.  A couple of others have only a symbolic "1" REB (which I view as "if the ball lands in my hands, I'll take it").

Ideally I would love to have guys with high ratings in both ATH and SPD, but at the level of my prestige in D2, it's going to take a while before I see many of those.  I'm mostly looking at players with 1 or 2 obvious flaws but who have high ratings in the critical categories I need.  This recruiting season, that's LP and PER to go along with some acceptable combo of ATH, SPD, BH and DEF.

I seriously doubt that's a good assessment of your team.  Look at the guy tianyi posted and tell us again how what you need is LP and Per.

Posted by dahsdebater on 3/13/2011 3:56:00 PM (view original):
I seriously doubt that's a good assessment of your team.  Look at the guy tianyi posted and tell us again how what you need is LP and Per.

I saw that.  Of course, my chances of getting a guy with 98 ATH are pretty slim for the moment :)

I do have one player already who has 78 ath/70 spd right now.  As a freshman, I didn't put any play distr into him and he averaged 4.5 ppg this past season.  Once his IQ is higher (currently C+ in Man) do I give him, say, 10 or more play distr to get some points from him?  ( I recruited him for his defense and he was #2 on my team in steals/game last season, so that part is working).

Posted by ethan66 on 3/13/2011 5:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 3/13/2011 3:56:00 PM (view original):
I seriously doubt that's a good assessment of your team.  Look at the guy tianyi posted and tell us again how what you need is LP and Per.

I saw that.  Of course, my chances of getting a guy with 98 ATH are pretty slim for the moment :)

I do have one player already who has 78 ath/70 spd right now.  As a freshman, I didn't put any play distr into him and he averaged 4.5 ppg this past season.  Once his IQ is higher (currently C+ in Man) do I give him, say, 10 or more play distr to get some points from him?  ( I recruited him for his defense and he was #2 on my team in steals/game last season, so that part is working).

What you give him depends 100% on how he relates as a scoring option vs. your other players.

And tianyi's guy is a D3 player, so clearly if you just want to focus on ath, you could get a guy at D2 with similar ath. I'd look for someone more well-rounded though.

And yikes -- you have no margin for error for next season given how you scheduled. You'll need 23-24 wins just to give yourself a shot to make the NT.

Posted by tkimble on 3/13/2011 2:34:00 PM (view original):
tianyi-you're also playing a very weak schedule.  When your toughest game is against a pretty bad Roanoke team, all your guys will be putting up good numbers.

Sure, but idk if you remember brady filer or not, for the same Drew team. He carried me to a NC with 77ath/77spd/60bh (not 100% confident on the bh) and per/lp less than 20. Ended up shooting in the high .500s. 

Posted by girt25 on 3/13/2011 5:34:00 PM (view original):
And yikes -- you have no margin for error for next season given how you scheduled. You'll need 23-24 wins just to give yourself a shot to make the NT.

I realize that.  I'm worried more about getting this big junior/senior class off the roster right now and recruiting more athletic players.  I'm still paying for that first mediocre batch of recruits.

Had 19 wins this season vs a cupcake non-con schedule and upset one ranked team in conference.  With a senior-dominated team maybe it'll get better, but I'm not that worried about it at this point.  Still trying to take baby steps.

Posted by ethan66 on 3/13/2011 6:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 3/13/2011 5:34:00 PM (view original):
And yikes -- you have no margin for error for next season given how you scheduled. You'll need 23-24 wins just to give yourself a shot to make the NT.

I realize that.  I'm worried more about getting this big junior/senior class off the roster right now and recruiting more athletic players.  I'm still paying for that first mediocre batch of recruits.

Had 19 wins this season vs a cupcake non-con schedule and upset one ranked team in conference.  With a senior-dominated team maybe it'll get better, but I'm not that worried about it at this point.  Still trying to take baby steps.

I hear you ... but I think your unnecessarily holding yourself back with that mentality. You would've definitely been in the postseason next season with even a decent schedule.