Idea:

any time you buy seasons on your account, you also get "bonus world" seasons that can only be used in the "bonus" world. the goal of the bonus world is to create sort of a 'premier' world that is always full and moving up in the world is more a matter of replacing the coaches that leave or get fired, rather than just taking sim jobs.

a system could be set up like:
-any time you pay for seasons, you get the equivalent of half the money you spend in 'bonus' credits
-any time you earn credits, you get an equal amount of bonus credits. rewards points are translated as well.

this is a distant cousin of the 'champions' league where NT winners would get lifetime passes into the 'champions' league, and need only have a team outside of the champions league to continue playing in it.

how would that world be full?

as yogi said, no one goes there anymore, its always too crowded

imo WIS should be heavily marketing HD during the tournament and should open up a new world and emphasize that everyone will start at equal footing. Make the world open to only new accounts. HD needs to get some interest up.

Posted by metsmax on 3/16/2011 5:16:00 PM (view original):
how would that world be full?

as yogi said, no one goes there anymore, its always too crowded

well everyone who plays HD semi-seriously would essentially be able to play there for free

...and WIS benefits from this because....  Don't get me wrong, I would very likely buy additional seasons to get the bonus but I'm pretty sure WIS would need some other type of income source to offset this Buy 2, Get 1 Free deal. In HBD, WIS gives users who play 10 consecutive seasons $5 off a $24.95 season. I don't see them giving away a free season of HD just because a user buys 2 seasons.

Posted by Weena on 3/17/2011 1:35:00 AM (view original):
...and WIS benefits from this because....  Don't get me wrong, I would very likely buy additional seasons to get the bonus but I'm pretty sure WIS would need some other type of income source to offset this Buy 2, Get 1 Free deal. In HBD, WIS gives users who play 10 consecutive seasons $5 off a $24.95 season. I don't see them giving away a free season of HD just because a user buys 2 seasons.

i think it would keep interest. if the bonus world were kept full, it would be easily the best challenge in the game.

Posted by tmacfan12 on 3/16/2011 7:11:00 PM (view original):
imo WIS should be heavily marketing HD during the tournament and should open up a new world and emphasize that everyone will start at equal footing. Make the world open to only new accounts. HD needs to get some interest up.

Opening a new world is a horrible idea. 

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/17/2011 11:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Weena on 3/17/2011 1:35:00 AM (view original):
...and WIS benefits from this because....  Don't get me wrong, I would very likely buy additional seasons to get the bonus but I'm pretty sure WIS would need some other type of income source to offset this Buy 2, Get 1 Free deal. In HBD, WIS gives users who play 10 consecutive seasons $5 off a $24.95 season. I don't see them giving away a free season of HD just because a user buys 2 seasons.

i think it would keep interest. if the bonus world were kept full, it would be easily the best challenge in the game.

Do you really believe that this idea would help WIS make more money?  Or is it just something you want and you're trying to come up with some bs reason that it's not economically stupid for the company?

ok, let me add a small stipulation. you cannot have a team in this world unless you have a team in one of the 'real' worlds. i was mulling this when i came up with the idea, apparently it may be necessary.

yes i believe it would keep interest. you could very well have some players who maintain a team or two in the 'real' worlds (that they would have dropped otherwise) to keep playing in the bonus world IF the bonus world were full. a full world would probably be the most fun of all worlds.

it's not a buy 2 get 1 free deal. the 'free' cant be used in naismith or phelan etc. its just, as long as you keep playing and paying for hd, you can maintain a team in the bonus world where everyone can automatically join.

i can't imagine it would cost much, if any more to run another world. if you require people to have teams in the real worlds to have a team in the bonus world, any real-world team dropping would be offset by the increased interest generated by the competitiveness of the bonus world.

Yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy.

Posted by acn24 on 3/17/2011 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tmacfan12 on 3/16/2011 7:11:00 PM (view original):
imo WIS should be heavily marketing HD during the tournament and should open up a new world and emphasize that everyone will start at equal footing. Make the world open to only new accounts. HD needs to get some interest up.

Opening a new world is a horrible idea. 

Same old Tmac and his new world idea.  The more things change, the more he stays the same.  WIS doesn't need a new world, they need some kind, ANY kind of marketing to bring in fresh blood.

Posted by antonsirius on 3/17/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy.

dude

people base how many seasons they buy mostly on how much they want to spend.

imagine if whatif charged $50 per HD season. i come along saying "there should be a bonus world!" you come along and say "yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down on the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy". how about: they're more likely to spend $50 if they get more out of it

sure, available free time plays a role. some players set a modest limit to number of teams due to it. but 'free time' isn't the only resource customers have here. i can guarantee you it was not a lack of 'free time' that caused a dip in whatif sales the past few years.

Posted by angmar on 3/17/2011 5:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 3/17/2011 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tmacfan12 on 3/16/2011 7:11:00 PM (view original):
imo WIS should be heavily marketing HD during the tournament and should open up a new world and emphasize that everyone will start at equal footing. Make the world open to only new accounts. HD needs to get some interest up.

Opening a new world is a horrible idea. 

Same old Tmac and his new world idea.  The more things change, the more he stays the same.  WIS doesn't need a new world, they need some kind, ANY kind of marketing to bring in fresh blood.

I will make up any excuse to push for a new world until it happens

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/17/2011 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 3/17/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy.

dude

people base how many seasons they buy mostly on how much they want to spend.

imagine if whatif charged $50 per HD season. i come along saying "there should be a bonus world!" you come along and say "yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down on the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy". how about: they're more likely to spend $50 if they get more out of it

sure, available free time plays a role. some players set a modest limit to number of teams due to it. but 'free time' isn't the only resource customers have here. i can guarantee you it was not a lack of 'free time' that caused a dip in whatif sales the past few years.

Supply and demand? Really? Wow. Your argument gets stupider each time you defend it. Supply and demand has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

Basically you're counting on your plan working the same way McDonald's "any size soda for a buck" summer deal works, except you're doing in it a market that is completely not conducive to it, and with a company that loses money (from server overhead and such) for each free team they give away instead of just making a bit less money on each soda they sell. 

Plus, any coaches with a maxed-out WIS budget will probably decide to save a bit of money by dropping a team they pay for to join your bonus world. Ditto any coach with a maxed-out time budget (i.e. "I only have time for three teams, but now WIS is giving me one for free! Yaaaay!").

Your idea is a great one for a company offering a product that is essentially an impulse buy, or that has a lot of competition (or both), can offer it for a limited amount of time, and stands a reasonable chance of at least breaking even on the deal (by having extra sales replace the lost revenue).

It's a particularly crappy one for a company offering a product that isn't an impulse buy, that doesn't have much competition in their market, that would have to offer the deal in perpetuity (or risk a backlash from ******-off coaches if they ever shut down the 'bonus world' or made it a normal pay world) and that would have an approximately zero percent chance of breaking even while they were doing it.


In short, your idea is about as savvy as WKRP's turkey giveaway.

Posted by antonsirius on 3/18/2011 4:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/17/2011 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 3/17/2011 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy.

dude

people base how many seasons they buy mostly on how much they want to spend.

imagine if whatif charged $50 per HD season. i come along saying "there should be a bonus world!" you come along and say "yes, giving incentive for coaches to cut down on the number of teams they pay for is an excellent business strategy". how about: they're more likely to spend $50 if they get more out of it

sure, available free time plays a role. some players set a modest limit to number of teams due to it. but 'free time' isn't the only resource customers have here. i can guarantee you it was not a lack of 'free time' that caused a dip in whatif sales the past few years.

Supply and demand? Really? Wow. Your argument gets stupider each time you defend it. Supply and demand has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

Basically you're counting on your plan working the same way McDonald's "any size soda for a buck" summer deal works, except you're doing in it a market that is completely not conducive to it, and with a company that loses money (from server overhead and such) for each free team they give away instead of just making a bit less money on each soda they sell. 

Plus, any coaches with a maxed-out WIS budget will probably decide to save a bit of money by dropping a team they pay for to join your bonus world. Ditto any coach with a maxed-out time budget (i.e. "I only have time for three teams, but now WIS is giving me one for free! Yaaaay!").

Your idea is a great one for a company offering a product that is essentially an impulse buy, or that has a lot of competition (or both), can offer it for a limited amount of time, and stands a reasonable chance of at least breaking even on the deal (by having extra sales replace the lost revenue).

It's a particularly crappy one for a company offering a product that isn't an impulse buy, that doesn't have much competition in their market, that would have to offer the deal in perpetuity (or risk a backlash from ******-off coaches if they ever shut down the 'bonus world' or made it a normal pay world) and that would have an approximately zero percent chance of breaking even while they were doing it.


In short, your idea is about as savvy as WKRP's turkey giveaway.

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.