I am still fuzzy on how these potentials translate. I've read slightly different interpretations and I am wondering which is correct, or if anybody actually knows with absolute certainty.  Have these numbers ever been defined or are we using our collective experience to guess?

What I have been using as a guide lately is:
Low: 0-6
Avg: 7-19
Lo-Hi: 20-29
Hi-Hi: 30+

Also, is it just me or does it seem like Stamina gets less out of potential than the other ratings?  It's probably just that I have had some borderline cases that make it seem low, but I figure I would ask anyway.

I've found stamina gets a good amount of potential. Speed seems to be the category that suffers the most IMHO.

http://tinyurl.com/potential-messages

This has the different messages, and the values of the high categories )not exactly what you asked for, but some folks might not have seen it).

Average ends at 20 for FSS but 19 (or 21 I forget) for the asst coach pre-season player thoughts, so sometimes a high can become an average or the other way around, I forget. I use 21-27 for low-high.  High-high starts at 28.

OK, thanks. I am glad I was not far off base.  I need to remember to start Hi-Hi at 28.

Jk, As far as stamina getting less out of potential, this is how I was taught to look at it.
When setting up practice minutes Conditioning needs to be higher in order to compensate for covering 3 ratings whereas the others are prety strictly 1 to 1. I guess Def covers Blk so it is probably 2-1. So if you only give it say 10-12 minutes compared to the same 10-12 in other categories you will not see as big of a gain in Ath, Spd, and Stamina, considering both have the same potential.

yeah, according to the FAQ Conditioning is a busy MF: Stamina and athleticism, particularly important for pressing defenses and fastbreak offenses. Also helps to improve speed, shot blocking and durability.

Low post contributes to Shot Blocking too, by the way.

So, I didn't realize that because a practice category contibutes to multiple ratings, therefore the contribution is divided into parts and some part goes to each rating?  Are you guys absolutely sure about that?

This begs the question, if I a player is maxxed out in ATH, SPD, and DUR, but has room to grow in STA, will they grow faster in STA because the conditioning practice is only growing one category?  This all sounds kind of weird to me.

Posted by jkline on 4/13/2011 3:21:00 PM (view original):
Low post contributes to Shot Blocking too, by the way.

So, I didn't realize that because a practice category contibutes to multiple ratings, therefore the contribution is divided into parts and some part goes to each rating?  Are you guys absolutely sure about that?

nope...at least I'm not absolutely sure...

Posted by jkline on 4/13/2011 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Low post contributes to Shot Blocking too, by the way.

So, I didn't realize that because a practice category contibutes to multiple ratings, therefore the contribution is divided into parts and some part goes to each rating?  Are you guys absolutely sure about that?

This begs the question, if I a player is maxxed out in ATH, SPD, and DUR, but has room to grow in STA, will they grow faster in STA because the conditioning practice is only growing one category?  This all sounds kind of weird to me.

on the first paragraph of questions, yes, i wouldn't say absolutely sure, but close.

on the second paragraph of questions, yes.

If a guy had a high-high and a work ethic in the 80's how much more would you think he would improve in his career then a guy with a high-high and a 40 work ethic.

On the Stamina question, here's one flaw I've noticed that is "supposedly" going to be fixed. I signed a guy with something like 70 ST, low potential. He maxed out as a FR at 72 ST, and never improved a single point ever again. Through offseason drops (he had 60+ WE!?), he eventually dropped to 67 ST by the start of his SR year. At that point he showed average upside in the practice thoughts email..still never improved a single point. CS said this was a flaw and would be fixed at some point. Apparently he was "stuck" in that mode of not having room to grow.

So while they said it's limited to players like that, who were basically maxed out to start with, I get the feeling it's more widespread than that. I think the offseason drops in ST that are just about guaranteed for everyone leave players improving at a slower rate than they should (in ST). Somehow their internal rate of improvement doesn't adjust up when they lose points in the offseason.

You wouldn't notice it probably except in my scenario above, but the more I look for it, the more I see it. It seems like most of my players never reach what I think they should in ST.

Posted by coach_billyg on 4/13/2011 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jkline on 4/13/2011 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Low post contributes to Shot Blocking too, by the way.

So, I didn't realize that because a practice category contibutes to multiple ratings, therefore the contribution is divided into parts and some part goes to each rating?  Are you guys absolutely sure about that?

This begs the question, if I a player is maxxed out in ATH, SPD, and DUR, but has room to grow in STA, will they grow faster in STA because the conditioning practice is only growing one category?  This all sounds kind of weird to me.

on the first paragraph of questions, yes, i wouldn't say absolutely sure, but close.

on the second paragraph of questions, yes.

Are you sure about the second part?

I have data on 17 players from start to finish - meaning I actually coached them all 4 (or 5) years. Here is my projected stamina and the actual result from the 17:

PROJECTED	ACTUAL
87	90
80	87
92	90
75	80
97	92
93	98
84	82
73	71
98	97
73	72
86	78
86	84
81	79
96	97
98	98
75	78
83	83

Only one of those seems wonky (and I hadn't really noticed before, and don't have an explanation for it - the 86 expected/78 actual - kid was low high and I show he started at 62 - but I could have transcribed the data wrong and never picked up on it. If he actually started at 52 say instead of 62 those results would be in line - the kid in question also improved about 350 total points over his 4 seasons...) I know its not hundreds of data points, but of my 17, 16 progressed in stamina as expected.

That's interesting, thanks for posting. I haven't really been tracking it honestly, I've gotten too lazy to do that anymore.

If a guy had a high-high and a work ethic in the 80's how much more would you think he would improve in his career then a guy with a high-high and a 40 work ethic.

Posted by girt25 on 4/15/2011 10:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 4/13/2011 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jkline on 4/13/2011 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Low post contributes to Shot Blocking too, by the way.

So, I didn't realize that because a practice category contibutes to multiple ratings, therefore the contribution is divided into parts and some part goes to each rating?  Are you guys absolutely sure about that?

This begs the question, if I a player is maxxed out in ATH, SPD, and DUR, but has room to grow in STA, will they grow faster in STA because the conditioning practice is only growing one category?  This all sounds kind of weird to me.

on the first paragraph of questions, yes, i wouldn't say absolutely sure, but close.

on the second paragraph of questions, yes.

Are you sure about the second part?

hmmm, now that you mention it, no. it am pretty sure it used to work that way, before sebles new engine. i haven't paid much attention to player growth but i guess i haven't noticed it happening either, so maybe it doesn't happen anymore.