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homrbush
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Player A (SF):

Athleticism 77
 
  
Speed 62
1
 
Rebounding 59
1
 
Defense 100
1
 
Shot Blocking 30
1
 
Low-post 24
 
  
Perimeter 19
1
 
Ball Handling 40
 
  
Passing 48
 
  
Work Ethic 87
4
 
Stamina 94
1
 
Durability 47
1
 
FT Shooting B  


Player B (SG):

Athleticism 61
3
 
Speed 64
 
  
Rebounding 5
3
 
Defense 74
 
  
Shot Blocking 5
 
  
Low-post 22
 
  
Perimeter 97
2
 
Ball Handling 86
1
 
Passing 59
 
  
Work Ethic 55
7
 
Stamina 70
2
 
Durability 81
3
 
FT Shooting B+  


Player A :
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
48 30 30 26.1 .456 .216 .735 2.1 5.9 1.4 2.3 1.8 0.2 1.4 18.0


Player B:
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
48 28 28 20.7 .439 .436 .794 0.3 0.8 1.8 1.5 1.1 0.0 2.7 12.8


Really?  Are you kidding me?!

4/24/2011 11:39 AM
car_crazy_v2
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Well you had a very tough schedule and I'm assuming he did not. Also, higher stamina means he is on the court longer. 

Don't just judge based off of points and percentages though, because I bet your player's point per shot is higher. 
4/24/2011 11:58 AM
homrbush
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His SOS was 55, mine was 11.  The difference comes via conference play.  Player A's stats were consistent both in and out of conference.

Player A took 401 shots (37 3's) and 226 FT.
Player B took 262 shots (181 3's) and 63 FT.

My point is, how the f*** would player A EVER be effective offensively, let alone 2 years in a row?  I have guys with elite ratings who don't produce (personal favourite: 96 BLK averaging 0.5 BPG).  I can't complain too much, I guess.  I'm the coach who recruited Player A.  I just can't imagine what would possess someone to run their offence through him and it actually work.
4/24/2011 1:32 PM
girt25
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You have a guy who should be a very good 3pt shooter, and not so good taking the ball to the hole. And that's exactly what you got -- nearly 44% from 3pt range. And as carcrazy pointed out, you played a tough sked.

And I think car had a good point re: the other guy, too -- what his schedule was like as well as how efficiently he scored.
4/24/2011 1:36 PM
girt25
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Posted by homrbush on 4/24/2011 1:32:00 PM (view original):
His SOS was 55, mine was 11.  The difference comes via conference play.  Player A's stats were consistent both in and out of conference.

Player A took 401 shots (37 3's) and 226 FT.
Player B took 262 shots (181 3's) and 63 FT.

My point is, how the f*** would player A EVER be effective offensively, let alone 2 years in a row?  I have guys with elite ratings who don't produce (personal favourite: 96 BLK averaging 0.5 BPG).  I can't complain too much, I guess.  I'm the coach who recruited Player A.  I just can't imagine what would possess someone to run their offence through him and it actually work.
homr, that guy is not scoring efficiently. Scoring a good amount per game just means that he's getting a lot of distro.

The scoring that he did was predicated around the fact that he has strong sp/ath for a sf, along with A+ iq. He got to the foul line a lot. He also got nearly two steals/game playing fcp and so no doubt got some easy transition hoops that padded the stats somewhat.

I think he's still a bit more effective than he should be, but the truth is that he wasn't all that effective.
4/24/2011 1:42 PM
furry_nipps
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I wish I had guys that weren't effective like that. 18 ppg on 46% shooting while not turning over a **** ton. If anyone has a crap guy like that I'll take him off your hands for you.
4/24/2011 2:11 PM
girt25
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Posted by furry_nipps on 4/24/2011 2:11:00 PM (view original):
I wish I had guys that weren't effective like that. 18 ppg on 46% shooting while not turning over a **** ton. If anyone has a crap guy like that I'll take him off your hands for you.
He's getting 1.34 points per shot, which is boosted by his 2 spg and subsequent transition hoops running the fcp ... the reality is that he's just not scoring all that efficiently.
4/24/2011 2:26 PM
dahsdebater
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He's scoring more efficiently than Oscar Thompson.  Which bugs me.
4/24/2011 3:38 PM
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What you guys should really be looking at is Points per possession, his turnovers per possession and how many of his possessions he scores on, and how many of his possessions are missed FG's. Don't have time right now to analyze the two, but if you really care that much, than send me a sitemail.
4/24/2011 3:43 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 4/24/2011 3:38:00 PM (view original):
He's scoring more efficiently than Oscar Thompson.  Which bugs me.
Guy is just shooting too many 3's. He should be on -2 using his ballhandling and ath/speed to get to the basket and draw fouls. You're just using him completely wrong. He has 47 perim. 
4/24/2011 5:23 PM
rockafe11a
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Posted by wsut on 4/24/2011 5:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 4/24/2011 3:38:00 PM (view original):
He's scoring more efficiently than Oscar Thompson.  Which bugs me.
Guy is just shooting too many 3's. He should be on -2 using his ballhandling and ath/speed to get to the basket and draw fouls. You're just using him completely wrong. He has 47 perim. 

+1

4/24/2011 5:27 PM
usc4life
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Posted by wsut on 4/24/2011 5:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 4/24/2011 3:38:00 PM (view original):
He's scoring more efficiently than Oscar Thompson.  Which bugs me.
Guy is just shooting too many 3's. He should be on -2 using his ballhandling and ath/speed to get to the basket and draw fouls. You're just using him completely wrong. He has 47 perim. 
Would a player with his LP be able to score efficiently from down low solely because of high ath/spd? Just curious
4/24/2011 7:21 PM
dahsdebater
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Unfortunately yes.
4/24/2011 8:22 PM
girt25
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Posted by dahsdebater on 4/24/2011 8:22:00 PM (view original):
Unfortunately yes.
Don't you think there are a good # of guys in real life who are effective inside scorers based almost entirely on their strength/athleticism/speed/explosiveness? 
4/24/2011 8:30 PM
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tony parker?
4/24/2011 8:43 PM
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