The big east is unbelievably awful in ALlen.  Like probably the 10th best conference.  They are pretty much a 1 bid league.  One of the division winners didn't make the PT.

So this is the anomaly, not the norm?

It might be up to three anomalies.  But still.  I don't believe there is a single person that thinks that a D3 team should be able to go to a Big 6 conference.  (And not to come off as a masochist but my D3 resume really isn't all that impressive to make the jump to any D1 team, much less the Big 6.)

1. Big East is really weak in Allen.

2. Rutgers is terrible.  5-22 with 294 RPI last season.  1-16 with 311 RPI this season.

3. Rutgers has the (tied for) worst baseline prestige in a Big 6 conference with B-.  They are now a D+ prestige team.


But keep in mind that I'm qualified for other B- baseline programs in the A-10 that have C- prestige.  I am a longshot for those jobs in the Big East.


The thing that I'd like to know -- for more reasons than one -- is what kind of jobs I'd be eligible for if I actually were to have won a title or two.  Regardless, this seems silly.

well Tark is about to finish the NT. I have a pretty strong resume and wasn't qualified for anything above the a C- prestige last season and not for any team with a C baseline. I get once job change is underway, we'll know if this is just an anomaly or actual change to the engine. 

Posted by tianyi7886 on 5/1/2011 5:09:00 PM (view original):
well Tark is about to finish the NT. I have a pretty strong resume and wasn't qualified for anything above the a C- prestige last season and not for any team with a C baseline. I get once job change is underway, we'll know if this is just an anomaly or actual change to the engine. 

I'll be a bit surprised if you qualify.  It's apples to oranges.  Or at least I'm 95% sure about that.

I'm getting a massive bonus for being at my program for 28 seasons.  You can't match that.

So in that sense, this isn't as bad as it may look.  There aren't too many teams in D3 that have that many seasons.  In Allen, there may now only be 5 or 6 coaches that have longer tenures than I do.

I haven't bothered saying this, but I'm not at all sure that my lack of accomplishment is even hurting me.  I have so much credit for the 28 seasons that I *think* I match the resumes of those that have won national titles and in most cases I think my resume is favored.  (If it wasn't favored, I think you'd see some of these teams make jumps to D1 instead of going to D2 programs.)

FYI - Customer Support indicated that this was pretty much (exclusively?) due to my longevity at D3.

I disagree that I should be able to get these jobs but it isn't like this is the fast path to D1.

Well congrats on being eligible for d1 bcs school. Guess longevity is more important that championships, this is quite the coaching logic we got here. This is why I preach the need for transparency.

It's not just the longevity, unless something in the hiring logic changed.  About 5 seasons ago in, I left my DIII program at Rochester (in Rupp) after 35 seasons there, and was the all-time DIII wins leader in the world at the time. I jumped directly to D1, but the best job I could get was a D- prestige Northern Illinois school, which has a C baseline prestige. I wasn't qualified for anything near as good as kujayhawk, although I was coming off back-to-back 1st round NT exits.

I'm confused. How do you know what at team's baseline prestige is?

THey put together lists when a new world opened before any team had played any seasons, presumably.

Does anyone know where the lists are?

I think there is a post up somewhere.

Posted by kujayhawk on 5/2/2011 12:27:00 PM (view original):
FYI - Customer Support indicated that this was pretty much (exclusively?) due to my longevity at D3.

I disagree that I should be able to get these jobs but it isn't like this is the fast path to D1.

I'm late to this thread obviously, but I was going to point out that I felt really confident your D1 qualifications were due almost entirely to your longevity and # of wins.  I've seen numerous examples of coaches with 400, 500, 600 wins get eligible for a good D1 job (from D2) -- like a Big 6 job -- even with  mediocre success.  Obviously here jumping from D3 to D1 is a bit different, but just the fact you can do it w/o a really strong recent run is proof it's still possible as long as you basically have longevity.  It seems like a way for WIS to throw a bone to long-time coaches imo.  I'm not really opposed to it either, though if I was a D2 coach with a better resume and lost out to a D3 coach moving up I probably wouldn't be too happy, but in the grand scheme of things, I get it.

CS basically confirmed it for everyone.

Edit:  I wasn't trying to poo-poo the most recent 4 years that ku had at Thomas b/c it's pretty solid, but that Title game appearance is 4 seasons ago and the FF appearance 2 yrs removed.  Nobody would have a problem with this same resume on a D2 squad being good enough to jump to a Big 6 doormat school I'm sure, but there are no ultra-recent titles or title game appearances or anything, that's all I was trying to get at for this D3 squad.  At some point in the HD algorithm, reaching ~400-600 wins seems to carry a lot more weight than only having 200 wins, all other factors being equal.

Appreciate the edit jdno but there was no reason to do that.  I've been poo-pooing my resume more than anybody.  It's not like it's bad -- it's top 15 in the D3 world.  But it isn't good enough to make the leap to D1, much less a job in the A-10 or Big East.  It's a solid D3 resume but it is important to note it is not more than that because it matters in this discussion.

The thing that really has me confused is that I can't figure out what happened this past season.  I was not qualified for these jobs prior to this past offseason.  I'm sure I hit some milestone but you would have thought that it would take some round number to kick in.  I already had 600 wins, I already had 20 NT bids, I didn't win a conference or tourney championship this past season so those numbers didn't go up.  But it does seems that it is a completely number that I hit this past season to qualify for these jobs.

I'd almost be tempted to go 0-26 and see if I'm still qualified.  If nothing else, this gives me an excuse the next time I tank because "I was just trying to figure out if I would still be qualified for A-10 jobs" ...