It's been quite a while I have even looked at sub 25 WE players, much less actually recruiting one. What kind of growth am I looking at here? 30-35 pts a season and maybe +160-180 overall in 4 yrs, if I'm lucky?

if you got that much you should be ecstatic.  it will depend greatly on his potentials and just how high high his highs are, but he's not going to improve at all in the offseason really.  i'd be grateful for anything much over 100

You may not see huge amounts of improvement in the overall rating, but if there are a few skills you're willing to let decline or hold steady you can get decent improvement in the cores.  Everybody discouraged me from recruiting this guy because he started with single-digit WE, but I'd say he turned out to be pretty good for an uber-cheap recruit nobody wanted because of his WE.  I guess I'd say I would recruit low-WE guys again if the price is right.

Usually when I get these low WE guys I either RS them or do my best to get them as much minutes as possible early on. I also focus on a few categories that I want to put th eminutes into, even if a guy is high in a bunch of areas I may ignore the ones that mean the least. Like say a guard is high in ath, sp, rebounding, per, bh and passing, I won't practice rebounding at all with a low WE guy and load up on the minutes in the other 4 areas.

This thread is making me rethink about this guy. I offered the scholarship this cycle but now thinking of pulling it and taking someone else. 

If you can play him heavy minutes (maybe even start) early, his WE may get closer to 23 or so after the first season, that helps.

His potentials will not be reached though.

So here is the player with 18 WE. I have opted to not sign him (which is a shame given the high starting ath and highs in spd/reb/def/blk). 

	Current Rating	Potential			Current Rating	Potential
Athleticism	64	Average		Perimeter	14	Low
Speed	22	High		Ball Handling	27	Average
Rebounding	49	High		Passing	19	High
Defense	56	High		Stamina	69	Average
Shot Blocking	21	High		Durability	29	High
Low-post	68	Low		FT Shooting		Low

Yeah, I'd probably let that guy go.  You need to play a guy heavy minutes for 4 years with that low of WE to get them to grow much, and that guy isn't really one you'd want to give a ton of minutes to until he improves some.  The potential is there, but he won't reach nearly all of it.

RE: kmason's comment, why do you redshirt the low WE guys?  They don't grow much in a RS year and in general they lose stamina every year unless you're putting 30+ minutes into conditioning (offseason losses more than offset in-season gains).  I would try to avoid redshirting anybody with WE below 35-40 at the bare minimum...

Well, if you do want to play them heavy minutes to get the WE up, the Extra IQ you get from the redshirt year could be helpful.

I'd say no go either. If you look at my team, Parkey and Dipaolo were both starting with WE between 25 and 29, yet high potential in a lot of the best categories. Parkey started 26 games so far in his first two years averaging 15 MPG each year. Dipaolo started 9 games this year averaging 15 mpg. They will be manning what will be my worst backcourt in my 30 seasons next year.

I have heard as a rule of thumb, the total improvement you can expect in a year is approximately equal to the WE. This seems to be fairly accurate, of course depending on the potential and PT to some degree. He'd probably improve by around 80-90 points over his career.

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/16/2011 6:52:00 AM (view original):
I have heard as a rule of thumb, the total improvement you can expect in a year is approximately equal to the WE. This seems to be fairly accurate, of course depending on the potential and PT to some degree. He'd probably improve by around 80-90 points over his career.

Not a good rule of thumb.

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/16/2011 6:52:00 AM (view original):
I have heard as a rule of thumb, the total improvement you can expect in a year is approximately equal to the WE. This seems to be fairly accurate, of course depending on the potential and PT to some degree. He'd probably improve by around 80-90 points over his career.

Idk about this either. I just had a player gain 70 in his FR season with 29 starting WE. 

Posted by dahsdebater on 6/16/2011 3:38:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, I'd probably let that guy go.  You need to play a guy heavy minutes for 4 years with that low of WE to get them to grow much, and that guy isn't really one you'd want to give a ton of minutes to until he improves some.  The potential is there, but he won't reach nearly all of it.

RE: kmason's comment, why do you redshirt the low WE guys?  They don't grow much in a RS year and in general they lose stamina every year unless you're putting 30+ minutes into conditioning (offseason losses more than offset in-season gains).  I would try to avoid redshirting anybody with WE below 35-40 at the bare minimum...

They grow some and on top of that by RSing them you allow them to get more minutes right away when they start playing. If your concern for RSing them is because of their stamina than that's not a good reason. Let's say they improve 3 in stamina during the RS season but lose 4 in the offseason but other than that they combine to improve 25 points, is the 1 loss in stamina really worth not RSing them? I can understand if they don't improve at all but lose 4 in stamina but they do improve, I have a 24 WE guy on this ID who I RS'd last season who gained 32 or 33 points last season. Are you saying that's not enough to warrant a RS?

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/16/2011 6:52:00 AM (view original):
I have heard as a rule of thumb, the total improvement you can expect in a year is approximately equal to the WE. This seems to be fairly accurate, of course depending on the potential and PT to some degree. He'd probably improve by around 80-90 points over his career.

I wouldn't dismiss this as being terribly off.  Assuming the player has at least 5-6 high potential categories.
here are my redshirts for the past 6-7 seasons.  Work Ethic and total points of improvement after the off-season change.

WE  PTS
12 - 30
21 - 30
34 - 40
39 - 49
39 - 42
40 - 55
43 - 43
45 - 51
46 - 50
47 - 50
55 - 63
59 - 62
66 - 64
70 - 81
74 - 78
74 - 98
79 - 94
87 - 85