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I ran across some breakdowns of where the D1 programs actually find their recruits.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1746

D1 totals  (edited to add an additional % point)

In-State:            1624  (34.4%)
Border State:     981  (20.8%)
In Region:          555  (11.8%)
Out of Region: 1168  (24.7%)
International:     393   ( 8.3%)

# Players by State
California (412), Texas (337), New York (264), Illinois (240), Georgia (234), Florida (213), North Carolina (206), New Jersey (160), Pennsylvania (158), Virginia (156), Indiana (152), Ohio (150), Maryland (145), Tennessee (138), Louisiana (126), Michigan (121), Alabama (87), Missouri (70), Washington (69), Minnesota (65), South Carolina (63), Mississippi (57), Wisconsin (56), Massachusetts (53), Colorado (48), Connecticut (47), Arkansas (46), Arizona (45), Kentucky (44), Oregon (43), Oklahoma (42), Utah (36), Kansas (33), Iowa (32), Nevada (29), DC (21), Delaware (16), South Dakota (16), Nebraska (13), West Virginia (13), Rhode Island (12), New Hampshire (11), Maine (8), New Mexico (8), North Dakota (8), Idaho (7), Montana (5), Wyoming (5), Alaska (4), Hawaii (2), Vermont (2)

# Players by Country
Canada (64), Australia (37), United Kingdon (33), Serbia (21), France (17), Nigeria (15), Senegal (14), Lithuania (13), Cameroon (12), Puerto Rico (12), Brazil (11), Croatia (11), Germany (11)..........

# Division I Schools
California (24), New York (22), Texas (21), North Carolina (19), Pennsylvania (14), Virginia (14), Florida (13), Illinois (13), Louisiana (13), Ohio (13), South Carolina (12), Tennessee (12), Indiana (10), Alabama (9), Maryland (9), New Jersey (8), Connecticut (7), Georgia (7), Michigan (7), Kentucky (6), Massachusetts (6), Mississippi (6), Utah (6), Arkansas (5), Colorado (5), Missouri (5), Washington (5), DC (4), Iowa (4), Oklahoma (4), Oregon (4), Rhode Island (4), Wisconsin (4), Arizona (3), Idaho (3), Kansas (3), Delaware (2), Montana (2), Nebraska (2), Nevada (2), New Hampshire (2), New Mexico (2), North Dakota (2), South Dakota (2), West Virginia (2), Hawaii (1), Maine (1), Minnesota (1), Vermont (1), Wyoming (1), Alaska (0)
 

7/14/2011 3:11 PM (edited)
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the same analysis for the Big Six conferences:
HIGH MAJORS: ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC


In-State:              38%   35%  *** modified to include internationals 
Border State:     23%    21%  
In Region:         10%       9%
Out of Region:  29%     27%    
International:      --          8%

 
# Players by State
California (82), Texas (74), New York (63), Illinois (61), Georgia (60), Florida (39), Indiana (39), North Carolina (37), Maryland (32), Michigan (32), Virginia (32), Pennsylvania (30), New Jersey (28), Tennessee (25), Louisiana (24), Ohio (24), Alabama (23), Washington (21), South Carolina (18), Oregon (17), Wisconsin (16), Minnesota (15), Missouri (15), Arkansas (13), Oklahoma (13), Arizona (12), Kentucky (12), Mississippi (11), Kansas (9), Colorado (7), Connecticut (7), Iowa (7), Massachusetts (7), DC (6), Rhode Island (4), Utah (4), New Hampshire (3), Delaware (2), Nebraska (2), West Virginia (2)
1: Alaska, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota
0: Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Vermont, Wyoming

# Players by Country
Serbia (8), Australia (7), Nigeria (7), Canada (6), Puerto Rico (5), Senegal (4), Cameroon (3), Croatia (3), Germany (3), Lithuania (3), England (2), Latvia (2), Romania (2), Turkey (2), Venezuela (2), Bahamas (1), Belarus (1), Benin (1), China (1), Dominican Republic (1), Gambia (1), Ghana (1), Greece (1), Guadeloupe (1), Israel (1), Jamaica (1), Kosovo (1), Mexico (1), Montenegro (1), Netherlands (1), Russia (1), South Korea (1), Sudan (1), Sweden (1), Trinidad & Tobago (1), Ukraine (1)

# Schools
4: California, Florida, North Carolina, Texas
3: Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania
2: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin
1: Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, DC, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Rhode Island, West Virginia
0: Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Wyoming


top states for each conference (# recruits/% overall recruits)
ACC  :    NC 24/14%;  GA 22/13%;  VA 17/10%; FL 13/8%;  MD 11/7%
BIG 12:   TX 43/26%;  CA 10/6%;  OK 10/6%;  KS 9/5%
BIG EAST: NY 43/20%;  NJ 17/8%;  PA 17/8%;  IL 13/6%;  MD 12/6%
BIG TEN:  IL 26/17%;  IN 25/16%  MI 20/13%;  OH 16/10%
PAC 10 :  CA 49/35%;  WA 16/11%;  OR 14/10%
SEC :     GA 23/14%;  AL 17/10%;  TN 15/9%;  LA 13/8%

7/14/2011 3:21 PM (edited)
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what is "region" by definition?
7/14/2011 2:38 PM
jslotman
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I'm guessing he used New England, mid-Atlantic, Southeast, Southwest, Pacific Northwest, Plains, etc. 

THough really, I'm still not sure where that leaves Arkansas or West Virginia. 
7/14/2011 2:50 PM
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So the percentages on the overall data add up to 101%.  That is easily explained by rounding error.  The percentages on the Big 6 schools add up to 108%.  That cannot be explained by rounding error, and frankly makes me question the general validity of the data...
7/14/2011 2:51 PM
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Posted by jslotman on 7/14/2011 2:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm guessing he used New England, mid-Atlantic, Southeast, Southwest, Pacific Northwest, Plains, etc. 

THough really, I'm still not sure where that leaves Arkansas or West Virginia. 
That's funny, I have 2 D1 schools, Arkansas and West Virginia, no wonder recruiting is such a pain with both schools I have no real region.
7/14/2011 2:54 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 7/14/2011 2:51:00 PM (view original):
So the percentages on the overall data add up to 101%.  That is easily explained by rounding error.  The percentages on the Big 6 schools add up to 108%.  That cannot be explained by rounding error, and frankly makes me question the general validity of the data...
Could just be an overlap between "Out of region" and "international." Of course then the same error should happen with overall D1, so who knows.
7/14/2011 2:55 PM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 7/14/2011 2:51:00 PM (view original):
So the percentages on the overall data add up to 101%.  That is easily explained by rounding error.  The percentages on the Big 6 schools add up to 108%.  That cannot be explained by rounding error, and frankly makes me question the general validity of the data...
it looks like the original % for the High-Major recruits adds up to 100% for the in-country guys and the 108% comes from adding  the additional 8% from internationals.    I guess each of the regions would need to be reduced by that 8% give or take.
7/14/2011 3:09 PM
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I don't know much about data, but I do know enough that Iguana's data is usually as rock solid as it comes. 

7/14/2011 3:33 PM
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like I mentioned, I pulled this data from the Basketball Prospectus website.  Not really sure of the accuracy, but the total numbers of over 4000 D1 players does add up.  
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1746

Plus I had no clue that South Korea had the same number of players at a high major program as Russia did.  One.
7/14/2011 4:27 PM
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Posted by jslotman on 7/14/2011 3:33:00 PM (view original):

I don't know much about data, but I do know enough that Iguana's data is usually as rock solid as it comes. 

This!
7/15/2011 9:38 AM
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So a standard 12 man roster. . . .

4 in state
2 - 3 from a bordering state
1 - 2 from the region
3 from out of region
1 international
7/15/2011 10:04 AM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 7/14/2011 2:51:00 PM (view original):
So the percentages on the overall data add up to 101%.  That is easily explained by rounding error.  The percentages on the Big 6 schools add up to 108%.  That cannot be explained by rounding error, and frankly makes me question the general validity of the data...
35+21+9+27+8 = 100

Not sure what you're confused about.
7/15/2011 10:22 AM
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I'd support a system that broke recruits into 4 groups:
  • In State
  • Regional (5 regions nationally perhaps)
  • Non Regional
  • International
Domestic recruits would be then be placed in one of 5 equal regions nationwide a) NW, b) SW, c) MW, 4) NE, and 5) SE.

Schools would also be placed in a region so that there would be an equal number of schools in each region.  Costs for recruiting areas would be:
  • In State (Lowest)
  • Regional (Low, but not as low as instate and it wouldn't matter where in the region the recruit lived.  All regional costs would be the same)
  • Non Regional (Higher, but again, no differentiation between any distance as long as it is non regional which would allow for national recruting too).
  • International
The key would be that there would only be 4 different costs and not based on miles.  To make it work, we'd have to get over the real life distances that is ingrained.  For example there would be a dividing line for SW region and the NW region and it could be where a school in the SW and a school in the NW are both 200 miles away from a recruit in real life, yet the recruiting costs would be different because the recruit could live in the NW giving that school a lower cost. 

Instead of miles and distance, we'd simply have to recondition our thinking in terms of instate, regional, non regional and international and not get so hung up on the actual city or town where these fake players "reside."  They'd simply reside in one of 5 regions or internationally and not any particular town since at least one person would bring up the fact that he'd be paying out of region costs for someone 200 miles away and in region costs for someone 300 miles away. (Similar to how the 250 mile line is drawn currently where costs go up dramitically at a certain point.   Some ask, how can it be where a home visit is twice as much at 250 compared to 239?  I'm not sure of where the line is exactly but you get the point....

That was with 5 regions and recruits and schools belonging to a home region, there would be recruiting more in line with real life.  Thanks Iquana.  I enjoy your posts.  I don't think anything is a surprise but your data is confirming.  I also think that the recruiting reach as you go from Big6 to the non Big 6 DI schools, to DII and to DIII gets smaller as you move downward.
7/15/2011 12:57 PM
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Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 7/15/2011 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 7/14/2011 2:51:00 PM (view original):
So the percentages on the overall data add up to 101%.  That is easily explained by rounding error.  The percentages on the Big 6 schools add up to 108%.  That cannot be explained by rounding error, and frankly makes me question the general validity of the data...
35+21+9+27+8 = 100

Not sure what you're confused about.
Note that he specifically states next to it that it's edited to include internationals...  When I posted it added to 108%.
7/15/2011 1:54 PM
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