Posted by jpmills3 on 8/7/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Rupp has had many non-BCS conferences take over BCS conferences in the past.  Since I have been around, I have seen the CAA take a top 6 spot (with National Champs outta of its corner), the Horizon, the WCC, the A-10, and now C-USA.  I get tired of all the garbage about not being able to win in non-BCS jobs.  Good coaches win.  Period.

Good coaches win when they have a bunch of good coaches in the same conference.. it's really not possible otherwise. If "Winning" is going far in the NT.

Yes.  ANd I think its considerably harder to do now than it once was.

And the ACC is still overpowered with all the A+/A/A- baselines.

Posted by reinsel on 8/7/2011 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Yes.  ANd I think its considerably harder to do now than it once was.

And the ACC is still overpowered with all the A+/A/A- baselines.

ACC should be #1 every single year, only one that can come close is the Big 12, because of all the ground they can cover from Texas to Colorado, and with their poor baseline (relative to where I think they should be), ACC definitely has the easiest path.

I've always thought that Boston College has the best recruiting spot just because they can hit the Northeast with ACC money versus the Big East. thorknight is obviously one of the best coaches in the game, but I would absolutely love to recruit with that school in Phelan because the ACC is so dominant every year. 

why oh why can't we set up cross world tournaments? just for fun.

Posted by wsut on 8/7/2011 5:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jpmills3 on 8/7/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Rupp has had many non-BCS conferences take over BCS conferences in the past.  Since I have been around, I have seen the CAA take a top 6 spot (with National Champs outta of its corner), the Horizon, the WCC, the A-10, and now C-USA.  I get tired of all the garbage about not being able to win in non-BCS jobs.  Good coaches win.  Period.

Good coaches win when they have a bunch of good coaches in the same conference.. it's really not possible otherwise. If "Winning" is going far in the NT.

This simply isn't correct.  For instance, Gonzaga (in Rupp) has won 2 NT's in the last 10 years and the WCC has averaged about 8 SIMs per year.  And the other human coaches in the conference are not close to world beaters (they don't typically qualify for the tourney).  Fact of the matter is that the fatigue changes allow teams to get by with as little as 8 (risky) to 9 (definitely possible) rotations these days (on slowdown, will really only come back to bite you if you are in foul trouble).  You can make up a decent portion of the "Big 6" money issues (read: good coaches together bringing in lots of tourney money) by banking 2-3 schollies each year.

Posted by wsut on 8/7/2011 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by reinsel on 8/7/2011 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Yes.  ANd I think its considerably harder to do now than it once was.

And the ACC is still overpowered with all the A+/A/A- baselines.

ACC should be #1 every single year, only one that can come close is the Big 12, because of all the ground they can cover from Texas to Colorado, and with their poor baseline (relative to where I think they should be), ACC definitely has the easiest path.

I've always thought that Boston College has the best recruiting spot just because they can hit the Northeast with ACC money versus the Big East. thorknight is obviously one of the best coaches in the game, but I would absolutely love to recruit with that school in Phelan because the ACC is so dominant every year. 

Not true.  Recruit generation can be scary throughout the midwest.  SEC and BEast country generally produce lots of solid recruits.

Posted by jpmills3 on 8/7/2011 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wsut on 8/7/2011 5:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jpmills3 on 8/7/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Rupp has had many non-BCS conferences take over BCS conferences in the past.  Since I have been around, I have seen the CAA take a top 6 spot (with National Champs outta of its corner), the Horizon, the WCC, the A-10, and now C-USA.  I get tired of all the garbage about not being able to win in non-BCS jobs.  Good coaches win.  Period.

Good coaches win when they have a bunch of good coaches in the same conference.. it's really not possible otherwise. If "Winning" is going far in the NT.

This simply isn't correct.  For instance, Gonzaga (in Rupp) has won 2 NT's in the last 10 years and the WCC has averaged about 8 SIMs per year.  And the other human coaches in the conference are not close to world beaters (they don't typically qualify for the tourney).  Fact of the matter is that the fatigue changes allow teams to get by with as little as 8 (risky) to 9 (definitely possible) rotations these days (on slowdown, will really only come back to bite you if you are in foul trouble).  You can make up a decent portion of the "Big 6" money issues (read: good coaches together bringing in lots of tourney money) by banking 2-3 schollies each year.

Well, Zaga has the baseline prestige equivalent to lots of BCS teams.

And most of the conferences in Rupp you're pointing out (like CAA, which I was a part of, etc.) were before the recruit generation changed to skew so top heavy. It's not impossible to make deep NT runs w. the current system, but there's no question that it's much, much harder. Not even close.

The results that some of the pseudo BCS conferences in Allen (Big Sky, Ivy) would be exponentially harder to accomplish now. Again, I would never say impossible. But pretty damn close. (Ivy had multiple teams that won the NT; Big Sky had something like six different teams that made the S16 over roughly half a dozen seasons ... those kinds of deep runs to have your team conference be relevant on a national level have been incredibly difficult.)

JP, Gonzaga did what they did THEN.... not now. Unless they change the engine or every coach in the PAC-10 quits. They will NOT and CAN-NOT do it now with an empty conference. You guys that use anything past 3-4 seasons ago as an example of mid majors competing either have no idea what your talking about... or simply like pretending your ignorant so nothing changes and the 20 teams that are competetive stay that way.

Posted by wsut on 8/7/2011 5:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jpmills3 on 8/7/2011 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Rupp has had many non-BCS conferences take over BCS conferences in the past.  Since I have been around, I have seen the CAA take a top 6 spot (with National Champs outta of its corner), the Horizon, the WCC, the A-10, and now C-USA.  I get tired of all the garbage about not being able to win in non-BCS jobs.  Good coaches win.  Period.

Good coaches win when they have a bunch of good coaches in the same conference.. it's really not possible otherwise. If "Winning" is going far in the NT.

Not really. We are in the conf usa in iba building it up and I wouldn't say we are a group of coaches on the same level as the others who have done it. We took over really bad schools and are in our 3rd or 4th season and just sent 8 teams to the post season. None of us really have the talent to go past the sweet 16, but we can win a game or 2. We will all get the prestige bump, and end up having more money then any other mid level conf which will help us slowly get the recruits to advance further. All it takes is a group of coaches who know how to schd. If done properly, every team should be able to make some sort of tourney.

Furry you are dead on...Ive been saying this for months now...We have built the MWC from nothing in Phelan as well...and our coaching roster is nothing compared to the big boys...filling the conference is really the most important factor.

Posted by kmasonbx on 8/6/2011 6:23:00 PM (view original):
In D1 Phelan the ACC just did something I've never even seen any conference almost do with 4 #1 seeds, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Miami and UNC all were awarded 1 seeds. I've never seen more than 2 teams get 1 seeds from 1 conference. The ACC sent a total of 10 teams to the NT and have the biggest RPI edge I've seen with a .6253 while 2nd place is only a .5670. Seems to be parity among all the other conferences while the ACC is just dominant.

Has the 4 #1 seeds from 1 conference ever been done before at any level?

we've had 3 at least once and probably twice over in your favorite conference :) i am pretty sure you were around back then too but it was before you came to the MIAA.

Posted by kmasonbx on 8/6/2011 6:23:00 PM (view original):
In D1 Phelan the ACC just did something I've never even seen any conference almost do with 4 #1 seeds, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Miami and UNC all were awarded 1 seeds. I've never seen more than 2 teams get 1 seeds from 1 conference. The ACC sent a total of 10 teams to the NT and have the biggest RPI edge I've seen with a .6253 while 2nd place is only a .5670. Seems to be parity among all the other conferences while the ACC is just dominant.

Has the 4 #1 seeds from 1 conference ever been done before at any level?

I've never seen one conference get all 4 1-seeds, but the Allen ACC just had a wider margin between the Top-2 RPI conferences:  .6502 for the ACC vs. .5851 for the Big-10.

And the Big 10 didn't have a single team move past the Sweet 16 and had two SIMs (for whatever that is worth). 

Well the ACC lived up to their regular season success sending 5 teams to the Elite 8, 3 to the Final 4 and for the second straight season UNC is playing Georgia  Tech for the title. They have widened their RPI gap with 1 team playing for the PIT title as well and are sitting at .6400 while second place is .5712. According to a post on their board they have earned 58k per team, just insane numbers.

's funny, I'm just so desensitized to crazy ACC money numbers - Allen's ACC put up, I think, $66K.