I am currently recruiting in Knight, I put 135 scouting trips into a player and still couldn't pull him down. What is the most scouting trips you ever put into a player that listed your team as a backup? I am not complaining as much as I am trying to learn how many trips it may take in the future. Give me a number, is it 150...200...1000?: just give me a number.

umm, you sure you can pull him down? And any chance the recruit is already considering someone else?

did u ever send him or his coach a phone call?  If so, cut and paste the response. 

Are you sure said player is pulldown-able for your school?

If you've done 135 and he isn't pulled down yet - my assumption is he isn't pulldown-able for you. Because I highly doubt another coach is matching you eval for eval for him.

Division pulldown that signed with Washington who was recruiting him from 1000 miles away vs. Myself who was 10 miles away. He said I was a back up, scouting trips said he was enamored with the big boys, etc. He was a 4 star recruit, Washington is an A- prestige while my Colorado team is a B-. Ironically I was able to recruit a 5 star this same recruiting class with zero pulldown and last season I pulldown a 5 star with less than a 100 scouting trips...I will attempt to copy and paste link but not sure if I can pull that off with my phone.

Posted by fatchance on 8/31/2011 11:17:00 AM (view original):
Division pulldown that signed with Washington who was recruiting him from 1000 miles away vs. Myself who was 10 miles away. He said I was a back up, scouting trips said he was enamored with the big boys, etc. He was a 4 star recruit, Washington is an A- prestige while my Colorado team is a B-. Ironically I was able to recruit a 5 star this same recruiting class with zero pulldown and last season I pulldown a 5 star with less than a 100 scouting trips...I will attempt to copy and paste link but not sure if I can pull that off with my phone.

He's considering Washington, which may be why he gave you the backup message but never got pulled down. When the players top choices are considering him, why would he ever consider you, his backup choice?

perhaps they always have been, but pulldowns certainly seem to be competitive now. If you are competing for a kids attention it is much harder to pull him down.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/31/2011 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fatchance on 8/31/2011 11:17:00 AM (view original):
Division pulldown that signed with Washington who was recruiting him from 1000 miles away vs. Myself who was 10 miles away. He said I was a back up, scouting trips said he was enamored with the big boys, etc. He was a 4 star recruit, Washington is an A- prestige while my Colorado team is a B-. Ironically I was able to recruit a 5 star this same recruiting class with zero pulldown and last season I pulldown a 5 star with less than a 100 scouting trips...I will attempt to copy and paste link but not sure if I can pull that off with my phone.

He's considering Washington, which may be why he gave you the backup message but never got pulled down. When the players top choices are considering him, why would he ever consider you, his backup choice?

Um, so you are saying it is impossible to pulldown a player with a team on him? Or are you suggesting that he would of required even more scouting trips because the team already on him had put a large amount of money into him? I am trying figure out how the pulldown works at the division 1 level. If it is impossible to pulldown a player with another team on them then I would suggest to all B/B- prestige coaches to do a 75 or 100 or whatever scouting trips on all 4 and 5 star recruits close to home so that they atleast have the option to recruit said players. I am sure some old guard coaches benefiting from others ignorance would not appreciate this move becoming the norm but it would seem necessary based on the significance of 4/5 star recruits and tourney success. Now on the other hand if you are saying the amount I needed to put into scouting trips had to be much higher because Tue team on him put enough recruiting effort that 135 scouting trips did not put me within pulldown range I could respect that. This thread is far more about educating myself and others as opposed to just a complaint.

Posted by fatchance on 8/31/2011 12:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/31/2011 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by fatchance on 8/31/2011 11:17:00 AM (view original):
Division pulldown that signed with Washington who was recruiting him from 1000 miles away vs. Myself who was 10 miles away. He said I was a back up, scouting trips said he was enamored with the big boys, etc. He was a 4 star recruit, Washington is an A- prestige while my Colorado team is a B-. Ironically I was able to recruit a 5 star this same recruiting class with zero pulldown and last season I pulldown a 5 star with less than a 100 scouting trips...I will attempt to copy and paste link but not sure if I can pull that off with my phone.

He's considering Washington, which may be why he gave you the backup message but never got pulled down. When the players top choices are considering him, why would he ever consider you, his backup choice?

Um, so you are saying it is impossible to pulldown a player with a team on him? Or are you suggesting that he would of required even more scouting trips because the team already on him had put a large amount of money into him? I am trying figure out how the pulldown works at the division 1 level. If it is impossible to pulldown a player with another team on them then I would suggest to all B/B- prestige coaches to do a 75 or 100 or whatever scouting trips on all 4 and 5 star recruits close to home so that they atleast have the option to recruit said players. I am sure some old guard coaches benefiting from others ignorance would not appreciate this move becoming the norm but it would seem necessary based on the significance of 4/5 star recruits and tourney success. Now on the other hand if you are saying the amount I needed to put into scouting trips had to be much higher because Tue team on him put enough recruiting effort that 135 scouting trips did not put me within pulldown range I could respect that. This thread is far more about educating myself and others as opposed to just a complaint.

I'm not at D1, but for my D2 and D3 teams, I never pulled down players that already has a higher division team on them. My logic is, I'm the backup team but the player already has his top choices on him, no way I can sign him. 

hard to say that it is impossible - and its been a while since I was at D2 - but I always acted on the assumption that being a backup meant that if a higher division school was on him I would lose

I pull down players to D3 that are considering D2 sims all the time...  2 already this signing period in Knight...  So that somewhat refutes that logic.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/31/2011 1:16:00 PM (view original):
I pull down players to D3 that are considering D2 sims all the time...  2 already this signing period in Knight...  So that somewhat refutes that logic.

You ever try this at D2 against D1? I read that a D1 team with C prestige can sign any player over D2 team, as long as the D1 team put in real recruiting effort (not calls or letters). 

This is about division 1 B- or so teams and pulling players down that are 4 and 5 stars. It seems there is a lack of understanding as to how it works, hence the reason I created this thread. I would think and hope pulldowns at the d2 and d3 levels should be another animal.

Once recruiting is over ask the other coach how much he put into the guy.

 This guy is at Division I Colorado. The biggest thing here is he was a back up option ten miles away but I can see that not all 5 stars are going to let B- prestige teams recruit them right up front. 

 If Washington was on him first and he was a back up for you then that's the answer to your question. I don't believe you would have ever pulled him down. It's next to impossible to pull a player down once another school is on him. The better that school is it's even harder. I have tried in the past and learned by never getting said player to drop that I think it's 99.9% impossible to do.

 BTW, I never had used more then 30 scouting trips to pull someone down. Be first to get him next time.