Posted by kmasonbx1 on 8/31/2011 3:20:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by fatchance on 8/31/2011 11:17:00 AM (view original):
Division pulldown that signed with Washington who was recruiting him from 1000 miles away vs. Myself who was 10 miles away. He said I was a back up, scouting trips said he was enamored with the big boys, etc. He was a 4 star recruit, Washington is an A- prestige while my Colorado team is a B-. Ironically I was able to recruit a 5 star this same recruiting class with zero pulldown and last season I pulldown a 5 star with less than a 100 scouting trips...I will attempt to copy and paste link but not sure if I can pull that off with my phone.
He's considering Washington, which may be why he gave you the backup message but never got pulled down. When the players top choices are considering him, why would he ever consider you, his backup choice?
Um, so you are saying it is impossible to pulldown a player with a team on him? Or are you suggesting that he would of required even more scouting trips because the team already on him had put a large amount of money into him? I am trying figure out how the pulldown works at the division 1 level. If it is impossible to pulldown a player with another team on them then I would suggest to all B/B- prestige coaches to do a 75 or 100 or whatever scouting trips on all 4 and 5 star recruits close to home so that they atleast have the option to recruit said players. I am sure some old guard coaches benefiting from others ignorance would not appreciate this move becoming the norm but it would seem necessary based on the significance of 4/5 star recruits and tourney success. Now on the other hand if you are saying the amount I needed to put into scouting trips had to be much higher because Tue team on him put enough recruiting effort that 135 scouting trips did not put me within pulldown range I could respect that. This thread is far more about educating myself and others as opposed to just a complaint.
I'm not at D1, but for my D2 and D3 teams, I never pulled down players that already has a higher division team on them. My logic is, I'm the backup team but the player already has his top choices on him, no way I can sign him.
I've actually done it a bunch of times, it's usually not that hard. However it completely depends on how much effort they've put in. If they are *tight* or "very solid" I don't wast my time. I've never tried to pulldown somebody who was considering a school from a higher division and used more than 30 Scouting trips.
Mason beat me to the punch on this one. D2 teams can pull down players that already have a D1 team on them (I've also done it myself several times), if and only if, the FSS (Word on the Street) says that they are wide open to other efforts, or something along those lines. If WOTS says the D1 school is "tight" or "very solid" as Mason said, then it would be nearly impossible for a D2 team to outrecruit the D1 team. Not impossible, but very close to that, simply because the amount of effort needed to overcome the D1 team would be nearly impossible for the D2 team to match. Furthermore, if the D1 team happens to be coached by a human, you probably better pass, even if he says he's open to other offers, simply because the human coach can throw more recruiting dollars at him, while Simmy has basically already blown his wad.
I've also noticed recently that if a D2 coach IS trying to pull down a D1 player that a Sim team is on, he probably needs to go after him quickly before the considering credit starts to build up. I've been burned a couple of time recently because I waited to long to try to steal Simmy's player and by then the considering credit made it just too hard to overcome. Lesson learned, if you're gonna do it, do it quickly (like as soon as the Word on the Street comes out). Hope this helps someone at least.