Posted by jskenner on 9/9/2011 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Agreed, dalt. I try to never worry about what's gone on in the past. The present and future are all that matters to me. I really liked the tone of that communication. I don't know if I've ever gotten that feeling from any past one, and it gives me hope for goog things in the relatively near future. If WIS asks, I think many vets are totally willing to help in any way.

Agreed.  Admit there's a problem, appologize, and move on from there.  Can't ask for more than that at this point.

Posted by girt25 on 9/9/2011 9:33:00 AM (view original):
Agreed, js. It doesn't wipe out the recent neglect, but hopefully that's in the past.

The open, honest communication is huge -- refreshing and hopefully a sign of better things to come. I have been preaching to seble for a long time that just keeping the lines of communication open and letting us know what's going on would be a huge first step. Things aren't going to be perfect, but communicating with their customers does make them better.

Fingers crossed that they attack the right issues ... and attack them properly.

If seble is willing to discuss thoughts / idea's with the community I think he will attack the correct issues first.

Posted by zhawks on 9/9/2011 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 9/9/2011 9:33:00 AM (view original):
Agreed, js. It doesn't wipe out the recent neglect, but hopefully that's in the past.

The open, honest communication is huge -- refreshing and hopefully a sign of better things to come. I have been preaching to seble for a long time that just keeping the lines of communication open and letting us know what's going on would be a huge first step. Things aren't going to be perfect, but communicating with their customers does make them better.

Fingers crossed that they attack the right issues ... and attack them properly.

If seble is willing to discuss thoughts / idea's with the community I think he will attack the correct issues first.

I have found that it depends largely on who he chooses to listen to.

Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

Posted by girt25 on 9/9/2011 4:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 9/9/2011 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 9/9/2011 9:33:00 AM (view original):
Agreed, js. It doesn't wipe out the recent neglect, but hopefully that's in the past.

The open, honest communication is huge -- refreshing and hopefully a sign of better things to come. I have been preaching to seble for a long time that just keeping the lines of communication open and letting us know what's going on would be a huge first step. Things aren't going to be perfect, but communicating with their customers does make them better.

Fingers crossed that they attack the right issues ... and attack them properly.

If seble is willing to discuss thoughts / idea's with the community I think he will attack the correct issues first.

I have found that it depends largely on who he chooses to listen to.

That is true as well. I was meaning listen to all sides and have a productive discussion about topics WITHOUT jumping to any conclusions of what 'needs' to be done / added, etc.

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

I agree and disagree.

I think recruits and potential is still a work in progress - I think we need a soft cap, I know seble is against it but I don't see any downside to it. If we could get the soft cap I think that would help a lot. Something like: once you get the no improvement message you can still get 2-3 points a year with 20 minutes (work ethic matters to) as opposed to 1 for the career. (thoughts on this anyone?)

I agree that the job hiring logic needs work (to fill those promoted coaches) and also they really need to get more coaches too, that really isn't a development issue exactly though.

Posted by zhawks on 9/9/2011 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

I agree and disagree.

I think recruits and potential is still a work in progress - I think we need a soft cap, I know seble is against it but I don't see any downside to it. If we could get the soft cap I think that would help a lot. Something like: once you get the no improvement message you can still get 2-3 points a year with 20 minutes (work ethic matters to) as opposed to 1 for the career. (thoughts on this anyone?)

I agree that the job hiring logic needs work (to fill those promoted coaches) and also they really need to get more coaches too, that really isn't a development issue exactly though.

I totally disagree with this. Real basketball players do not continue to get better at all aspects of their game play every season.

Sometimes they stop getting faster, they stop getting better at playing defense, they stop getting better at rebounding, etc.

I think it is very unrealistic that you can "just put in minutes" and continue to get growth.

If you want a fast SG with high Ball Handling, Passing, and PER ... you will need to do the research and get a guy who can grow in the proper areas.

If every player starts high and can grow almost unlimited in every attribute, what good is that?

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

If all mid majors were to be human filled tomorrow, you believe the recruits exist to make them competitive? I don't have much D1 experience but in the recruiting seasons I have seen there just aren't enough of the recruits you would need to compete at high levels out there regardless of how many humans there are. Or maybe I am just awful at analyzing recruits... who knows

Here come de judge, here come de judge!

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

Uh, mmt ... why do you think the non-BCS conferences have become so empty? It's because of the ridiculous recruit generation. They were healthy before when it was more equitable and people felt that they had a legitimate chance to compete.

There's very little in HD that I'm more certain of than this.

Posted by girt25 on 9/10/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

Uh, mmt ... why do you think the non-BCS conferences have become so empty? It's because of the ridiculous recruit generation. They were healthy before when it was more equitable and people felt that they had a legitimate chance to compete.

There's very little in HD that I'm more certain of than this.

This is one issue seble won't have to listen to anyone, he has been around long enough, and has been part of this issue since it began, I have little doubt he knows exactly what is wrong & has a pretty solid idea how to fix it.

A big ? I would have for him, is does he want to fix it? 

It seems the combination of empty d1, lack of recruits,  and EE (** edit as well as large BCS conference post season pools) has resulted in a game where the dominance in any given world gets passed around a little more than usual among maybe a 15-25 coaches,  which I would think 'might' be considered a good thing???? 

I am not strongly tied to this theory & know unfair pockets of recruiting in some worlds would contradict this model, but overall that is what I see in my conferences at least.  It used to be my teams and maybe one or two other team were A / A+ type teams, now some of my conferences have half dozen or more teams like that, which tends to spread the odds of winning it all out among more coaches?  I think a different thread complained about too many A+ teams, my theory is just the opposite, all the A+ (and A / A-) teams moves the winning around a little more?   As I said, just a theory?

If D1 non-BCS conferences are empty because of recruit generation, wouldn't D2 and D3 be filling to the brim? I haven't seen the updated numbers of coaches per division, but I would assume that D2 and D3 are becoming more barren as well.

I believe a big issue is with attracting more people that want to play the game. The forums for all of WIS are much less active across the board over the course of the last few years.

Posted by stinenavy on 9/10/2011 12:12:00 PM (view original):
If D1 non-BCS conferences are empty because of recruit generation, wouldn't D2 and D3 be filling to the brim? I haven't seen the updated numbers of coaches per division, but I would assume that D2 and D3 are becoming more barren as well.

I believe a big issue is with attracting more people that want to play the game. The forums for all of WIS are much less active across the board over the course of the last few years.

In the last numbers that were posted, DI participation was down and D2/D3 was not.

Posted by maz621 on 9/9/2011 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

If all mid majors were to be human filled tomorrow, you believe the recruits exist to make them competitive? I don't have much D1 experience but in the recruiting seasons I have seen there just aren't enough of the recruits you would need to compete at high levels out there regardless of how many humans there are. Or maybe I am just awful at analyzing recruits... who knows

As conferences get full the midmajors are able to increase prestige by virtue of recruiting mid lever players with high potential...as more make the tournament and make more money for the conference they can enter into battles with Elites...thats the way it should be...recruiting should have fights everywhere not hand picked draft...anywhere you look that have conferences full of humans...that is certainly the case...the problem is even when a coach leaves a midmajor it is so hard to replace them based on current hiring standards that the school eventually recedes to a garbage school which in turn hurts the conference...take my BYU team for example...that conference is annually in the top 4 or 5 RPI wise...I left BYU but because no one a DII was able to take them over, they went to Sim instead and will now suck...fix the hiring process and DI midmajors will compete.

Posted by girt25 on 9/10/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mmt0315 on 9/9/2011 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hope he doesnt listen to the people that think recruit generation is somehow the problem with the midmajors at DI, because it isnt...filling the conferences with humas is the #1 problem, replacing them once they take promotions is #2.

Uh, mmt ... why do you think the non-BCS conferences have become so empty? It's because of the ridiculous recruit generation. They were healthy before when it was more equitable and people felt that they had a legitimate chance to compete.

There's very little in HD that I'm more certain of than this.

WRONG its because people like you and OR continually come in here and say its so...any world that has a full midmajor conference annually competes with the Big 6 and thats a fact...others run because of the myth that currently exists...everyone wants everything handed to them and made easy...basically what you are promoting is a return to the days where the elites hand pick recruits but no one cares because DI is littered with so much talent that the second tier schools can take the left overs...Personally, I think its great what happened in Naismith this cycle...battles everywhere...everyone crying that they couldnt hand pick recruits...and schools that sat back (KSTATE for example) that decided 4 stars and 3 stars with high potential would be the way to go...