I'm not sure that defense is a "tiny aspect."  Rebounding does not equate to defense.

The point is, that PG should not be able to GUARD that C.  Do I think it needs to be changed?  Frankly, I don't care.  But you'd have to be really stubborn to not admit that km has a point about that particular aspect.

At least 1 person sees my point. The fact is height and weight is an enormous factor in basketball, anybody claiming otherwise doesn't have a clue.

And arss bringing up Mark Eaton really? I'm obviously talking about in the situation where somebody is huge and talented. There are lots of 7'0 who aren't athletic, and just aren't very gifted offensively but when a 7'0 is very athletic and is talented offensively it should be damn near impossible to stop him. There isn't an athletic/talented 7'0 to ever play basketball that wasn't extremely difficult to stop. There is no way anybody can make the claim that if 2 guys have 95ath/60sp/99lp/60per/60bh but one is 7'1 and the other is 6'7 that they would both be equally as effective. But in HD with all things being equal they would be.

Is this that important, probably not but it's something that should be considered. High school scoring average, that's fine to have as window dressing but no way should height be window dressing when it's an overriding factor in how successful you are as a basketball player.

Posted by isack24 on 10/7/2011 6:59:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure that defense is a "tiny aspect."  Rebounding does not equate to defense.

The point is, that PG should not be able to GUARD that C.  Do I think it needs to be changed?  Frankly, I don't care.  But you'd have to be really stubborn to not admit that km has a point about that particular aspect.

No, the point is the PG CANNOT guard the C. I guess I'm particularly stubborn. Show me examples of a PG in this game consistently locking down Centers and then I will concede your point. Until then, quit making **** up...

Posted by dacj501 on 10/7/2011 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 10/7/2011 6:59:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure that defense is a "tiny aspect."  Rebounding does not equate to defense.

The point is, that PG should not be able to GUARD that C.  Do I think it needs to be changed?  Frankly, I don't care.  But you'd have to be really stubborn to not admit that km has a point about that particular aspect.

No, the point is the PG CANNOT guard the C. I guess I'm particularly stubborn. Show me examples of a PG in this game consistently locking down Centers and then I will concede your point. Until then, quit making **** up...

+1

Why have height and weight if it doesn't matter?  Does it really add realism if it's just cosmetic?

Posted by colonels19 on 10/7/2011 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Why have height and weight if it doesn't matter?  Does it really add realism if it's just cosmetic?

To the same point - why give players arbitrary positions if they don't mean anything?

The explanation for years is that the height and weight are already cooked into the ratings. I think we all know that by now.

And a very significant point made by someone else is that trying to incorporate this in the way that kmason wants would require a major recoding. Not only is that a bad idea on its face, but the unintended consequences likely to result from such a thing frighten me to my core. We all know the history here.

I am very confident in saying that such an endeavor (adding height and weight in the manner kmason wants) would cause many more problems than it would solve.

I read through most of my play by plays pretty closely... and I wouldn't ever think twice about seeing something like he saw.

I'm with you tho daalt - I cringed thinking about what might happen if HD was re-coded... again...

Posted by ike1024 on 10/7/2011 10:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 10/7/2011 10:10:00 PM (view original):
The explanation for years is that the height and weight are already cooked into the ratings. I think we all know that by now.

And a very significant point made by someone else is that trying to incorporate this in the way that kmason wants would require a major recoding. Not only is that a bad idea on its face, but the unintended consequences likely to result from such a thing frighten me to my core. We all know the history ehre.

I am very confident in saying that such an endeavor (adding height weight in the manner kmason wants) would cause many more problems than it would solve.

I totally agree with the last sentence, which is why I'm not advocating for a major change.

But I think it's ridiculous that you guys are fighting the simple issue that defensively a guard shouldn't be able to guard a C in the post (outside of rebounding), but in this game he can.

We never disagreed with that, the thing you guys are fighting is what is crazy - you don't know how or where or when the shot was blocked... it has already been stated numerous times where and how the argument fails... I am not going to go back over it all. 

What you should do is go back an read the posts that I have written, because they have nothing to do with anything you mentioned in your post.

It's tough to know if MY argument "fails" when you don't even read it.

I cringe when I see how often (multiple times a game?) college big men get the ball above their head and immediately bring it down to shoulder level to shoot. I still remember a 7'+ Sean Bradley catching a lob to him on the lower block, and quickly spinning inwards for an easy 5' - 6' turnaround jumper. Being Sean Bradley he lowered the ball to his hip as he turned and managed to have the opposing guard block the ball back into his face. Oops. 

Posted by ike1024 on 10/7/2011 10:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 10/7/2011 10:10:00 PM (view original):
The explanation for years is that the height and weight are already cooked into the ratings. I think we all know that by now.

And a very significant point made by someone else is that trying to incorporate this in the way that kmason wants would require a major recoding. Not only is that a bad idea on its face, but the unintended consequences likely to result from such a thing frighten me to my core. We all know the history ehre.

I am very confident in saying that such an endeavor (adding height weight in the manner kmason wants) would cause many more problems than it would solve.

I totally agree with the last sentence, which is why I'm not advocating for a major change.

But I think it's ridiculous that you guys are fighting the simple issue that defensively a guard shouldn't be able to guard a C in the post (outside of rebounding), but in this game he can.

there is no such thing as "outside of rebounding" If a PG tried to guard a C the C would get a dozen pts off offensive rebounds and putbacks. That is not effective guarding. I don't know why you can't understand THAT. If you are so certain a PG can guard a C in the paint, start playing PGs at center. You keep stating something as a fact that is simply not true. A PG may be fast and athletic enough to keep up, but he'll get killed on the boards, (on his defensive boards, the C's offensive boards - notice how for the PG those are called DEFENSIVE rebounds, implying that they are a part of DEFENSE??)
So I say again. A PG cannot guard a C in this game or any other, because rebounding is part of defense at that position. I won't bother trying to explain this a 4th time.

Posted by kmasonbx on 10/7/2011 8:00:00 PM (view original):
At least 1 person sees my point. The fact is height and weight is an enormous factor in basketball, anybody claiming otherwise doesn't have a clue.

And arss bringing up Mark Eaton really? I'm obviously talking about in the situation where somebody is huge and talented. There are lots of 7'0 who aren't athletic, and just aren't very gifted offensively but when a 7'0 is very athletic and is talented offensively it should be damn near impossible to stop him. There isn't an athletic/talented 7'0 to ever play basketball that wasn't extremely difficult to stop. There is no way anybody can make the claim that if 2 guys have 95ath/60sp/99lp/60per/60bh but one is 7'1 and the other is 6'7 that they would both be equally as effective. But in HD with all things being equal they would be.

Is this that important, probably not but it's something that should be considered. High school scoring average, that's fine to have as window dressing but no way should height be window dressing when it's an overriding factor in how successful you are as a basketball player.

I will make that claim: if 2 guys have 95ath/60sp/99lp/60per/60bh but one is 7'1 and the other is 6'7 that they would both be equally as effective.  I'm pretty sure it says all over the FAQ, Dev Chats, and Players Guide that to some extent height and weight figure into the ratings, but the ratings define how effective a player is.  If they both have the same speed and are equally athletic, have equal scoring skills, etc, why should they not be equally effective?  If you have to do it to ease your mind, you can say that the taller guy doesn't actually have to be as strong to have the same athleticism or have quite the repertoire of moves to have the same low post rating.  Whatever.  Regardless, if two guys have the same ratings I want them to perform equally.  That is BY FAR the best thing for the transparency of gameplay.