I'm getting in a bit of trouble by promising 10 minutes to a player.  Figured he'd get the minutes no problem being third on my depth chart but that turns out to not be the case.  In 10 games, he's only played in 7 of them.

So not too surprising to get the following complaint today:

"I just got off the phone with my parents and they suggested that I just talk to you. I have a problem. Why am I only playing 7 minutes per game? You promised me that I'd be playing at least 10 minutes every game. I'm not happy that you haven't been true to your word."


In the first 10 games, he's only played 51 minutes.  The "7 minutes per game" comes from the fact that he was DNP'd for three of them.  Any idea what I need to do to fill the promise?  Do I need to get him up to 10 minutes per game played or do I need to get him to 10 per game (regardless if he sees the court or not).

I'm guessing the Sim is going to end up giving him a DNP a couple more times this season so I'm trying to figure out just how much extra playing time I'm going to need to give him.

It only seems fair that I should have to give him 10 minutes per game, not per game played.  But the note above seems to perhaps suggest otherwise.



Apologies for starting this thread.  I know it has been answered before but when I did a search of past posts I couldn't find this particular question so I gave up searching and figured I'd just ask again.

Kujay, if he just plays 10mpg from here on out, you'll be totally fine.

Kujay - I believe I brought up this promise loophole up back when the engine was changed way back.  If you get him up to 10 min per game played, you should be able to take him off the depth chart and go with the DNP's the rest of the way.  As such, you can sit him vs. good opponents (if you don't need him) and then play him against the cupcakes where you can load him up with some minutes.

I believe if you leave him off the depth chart entirely it won't count it against you, I've had success with that in the past, but not sure entirely how it works for every situation...

I've had some guys complain from not playing dac, so yours may have been an exception.  I've never had them complain when they've played at least 15-16 games, but if they're promised a start I have definitely had them complain if they didn't play at all.

dahs, just to clarify your point, were those players that complained in the depth chart rotation and just never reached; or did you have them off the depth chart completely -- so played with 11 instead of 12, with the 12th being an "imaginary" RS? because as i understood dac, he did not even have the players in the depth chart rotation, so played short as if the 12th guy was RS'd. Which would also answer kujay's question -- if they arent even in the depth chart rotation, will they complain.

Interesting.  Thanks for the discussion thus far.

To be clear, the DNP's are not coach's decision.  It's Simmy's.  He's on my depth chart but not getting into games against teams that are slowing down the pace or running a defense that doesn't fatigue the offense.

My original promise was made to recruit the player on the cheap because I found myself involved in a battle and needed every last dime to win it but I did so "knowing" that I'd have 10 minutes to offer.  My first guard off the bench backs up both guard positions so I figured by having him on the depth chart as 3rd or 4th for PG, SG, and SF he'd get his minutes.  I've been running uptempo so that he'd get the 10 minutes.  I only have 4.5 guards on the roster (the .5 is for  a PF that I can use as a guard) so I figured he'd get 10 minutes even if I didn't promise it.

Despite going uptempo and having other players with terrible stamina, he doesn't always make it on the court.  He gets playing time against press teams but against zone and man teams he's currently received 11 minutes in 6 games (with 3 of the 6 being DNP).

We have two rebuilding teams in our conference and I figure I can start him in those three games and hopefully get 80+ minutes out of those three games.  I was just wondering if that would be enough he if ends up getting a few more DNP's the rest of the way out.

I'm not concerned getting him 10 minutes in the games he plays.  Just afraid the sim might sit him enough that I run into trouble getting him 260 minutes over the 26 games and wondering if that would be a problem.  (Or probably more specifically, if I'm ok getting him 160 minutes over these last 16 games since he just now complained.)

Posted by headpirate on 10/19/2011 5:23:00 PM (view original):
dahs, just to clarify your point, were those players that complained in the depth chart rotation and just never reached; or did you have them off the depth chart completely -- so played with 11 instead of 12, with the 12th being an "imaginary" RS? because as i understood dac, he did not even have the players in the depth chart rotation, so played short as if the 12th guy was RS'd. Which would also answer kujay's question -- if they arent even in the depth chart rotation, will they complain.

A) I am usually trying to maintain MPG, so I take the guy totally off the depth chart when I'm not starting him and

B) I don't think players care whether or not they were on the depth chart or where, just what minutes they play and whether or not they start.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/19/2011 7:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by headpirate on 10/19/2011 5:23:00 PM (view original):
dahs, just to clarify your point, were those players that complained in the depth chart rotation and just never reached; or did you have them off the depth chart completely -- so played with 11 instead of 12, with the 12th being an "imaginary" RS? because as i understood dac, he did not even have the players in the depth chart rotation, so played short as if the 12th guy was RS'd. Which would also answer kujay's question -- if they arent even in the depth chart rotation, will they complain.

A) I am usually trying to maintain MPG, so I take the guy totally off the depth chart when I'm not starting him and

B) I don't think players care whether or not they were on the depth chart or where, just what minutes they play and whether or not they start.

so if you leave them completely off the depth chart, is it like they did not "dress" for the game? so would not have been available?

I agree with dahs.

I use the promise start or minutes profusely.

If I promise 10 minutes a game ... that player may only see the court 5 times all season, but it will be for at least 10 minutes. Otherwise he's off the depth chart and set to mop-up.

If I promise Starts ... he may only play 5 games all season, but he will start them, and get 4-8 minutes. When not starting he's off the depth chart and set to mopup.

I've never had a problem with a guy complaining he doesn't start games, even if he only starts 5 games out of 5 started. I think it's the percentage of games started against games played that causes them to complain.

And like dahs, I think as long as MPG are met, it doesn't matter if he's only played in 5 games. You've delivered on the promise.

ixo

So essentially as long as I game the system, I'm ok.

But if he gets too many games where my starters play most the minutes and he only gets a handful, I'm in trouble.

Awesome.

Posted by kujayhawk on 10/21/2011 12:45:00 PM (view original):
So essentially as long as I game the system, I'm ok.

But if he gets too many games where my starters play most the minutes and he only gets a handful, I'm in trouble.

Awesome.

that's about the gist of it kujay. Personally, as much as I abuse (I mean utilize) this system to my benefit, I would prefer that these loopholes get closed and promises matter like they intuitively ought to...