seble - ya gotta fix the release notes - only folks who read the forums know that it isnt exactly right that new release makes it impossible to recruit if you have 6 guys already 

7-20 team didn't make the postseason anyway so 1/2 the posts in this thread can be disregarded.

22-6, 66 RPI team that didn't play anyone didn't make the PIT. Some may have an issue with that, I'm not one of them.

The selection to the postseason now relies on your record of accomplishment, instead of just being dependent on your RPI. This is an improvement for the game.

I disagree to some extent.  I pretty much feel like any 20-win team should get some postseason shot regardless of who they did or didn't play.  I'm not saying I'd never make an exception to that rule, but a 66 RPI certainly isn't low enough for an exception.

Posted by stinenavy on 12/4/2011 6:05:00 AM (view original):
7-20 team didn't make the postseason anyway so 1/2 the posts in this thread can be disregarded.

22-6, 66 RPI team that didn't play anyone didn't make the PIT. Some may have an issue with that, I'm not one of them.

The selection to the postseason now relies on your record of accomplishment, instead of just being dependent on your RPI. This is an improvement for the game.

Wow, check again the 7-20, 12-15 and 11-17 teams all did make the postseason so no not half the posts can be disregarded.

Maybe 'needlessly complex' but the way I would want to think about selection would be in terms of 'game credits'  Start out with a win being worth one credit and a loss being worth zero.  Then each game could accumulate additional credits, win or loss, based on other factors, such as how good the opposing team is, margin, home or road, etcetera - with the caveat that all the credits added to a loss MUST equal less than the value of ANY win.  Say, a loss can be made worth up to .75 value.  Then divide the total by the number of games the team has played, and rank.    

Posted by stinenavy on 12/4/2011 6:05:00 AM (view original):
7-20 team didn't make the postseason anyway so 1/2 the posts in this thread can be disregarded.

22-6, 66 RPI team that didn't play anyone didn't make the PIT. Some may have an issue with that, I'm not one of them.

The selection to the postseason now relies on your record of accomplishment, instead of just being dependent on your RPI. This is an improvement for the game.

here is your record of accomplishment for Florida State and their 7-20 team that did make the PIT postseason.

Forgot to include the 14 point loss to Sim AI Utah state that was a bigger loss than any of my Manhattan team losses that were all on the road also.

Posted by thethrill10 on 12/4/2011 9:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 12/4/2011 6:05:00 AM (view original):
7-20 team didn't make the postseason anyway so 1/2 the posts in this thread can be disregarded.

22-6, 66 RPI team that didn't play anyone didn't make the PIT. Some may have an issue with that, I'm not one of them.

The selection to the postseason now relies on your record of accomplishment, instead of just being dependent on your RPI. This is an improvement for the game.

Wow, check again the 7-20, 12-15 and 11-17 teams all did make the postseason so no not half the posts can be disregarded.

If this new system allows a 7-20 team to make the postseason, then parts of it clearly need to be re-examined.

I think that is very ticket worthy.

I glanced over the PIT seeding and didn't see that Florida St made it, I'm going to go get this egg off my face.

No issue personally with FSU. Also the improved transparency outweighs any nitpicking that has arisen as a result. We know what it takes to get in and can schedule accordingly.

However the conference spread by region is an issue to be fixed. A 1 should not be lined up with a 2 from it's own conference. There's also no goid reason why a conference with 7 teams has 4 teams in one region, and 0 in another.

I just wonder if it's worth fixing before this NT begins.

I don't know, rusti -- I don't really see the transparency is so improved, just because you can see the mistake that's being made in advance. If the system is broken, it's broken, and knowing it's broken in advance doesn't make me feel any better.

Posted by rusticity on 12/4/2011 4:15:00 PM (view original):
No issue personally with FSU. Also the improved transparency outweighs any nitpicking that has arisen as a result. We know what it takes to get in and can schedule accordingly.

However the conference spread by region is an issue to be fixed. A 1 should not be lined up with a 2 from it's own conference. There's also no goid reason why a conference with 7 teams has 4 teams in one region, and 0 in another.

I just wonder if it's worth fixing before this NT begins.

How in the world do you have no problem with a team that has lost so much it's homecourt rating is an F is in the postseason.  What world is there that a 7-20 team makes a postseason.  0 wins versus anyteams that got a NT at large bid.  One win versus a top 40 team.  Same losses by 18+ points than they do total wins.  Over half their wins were by 2 points or less or in OT against 100ish RPI.  That team deserves to be in the postseason because they got 1 win in conference versus the worst team in the conference  and that's it.  They really didn't beat anyone, got blown out by many teams and you are saying at 7-20 you have no problem with them in the postseason because they lost to a bunch of good teams in conference.  Like girt said 7-20 in the ACC in real life or in here should get you closer to being fired than postseason, not that I think anyone should be fired, I think the coach just took over there so I have no beef with him.  And I warned on the very first day that the projections came out that they should look at it in a ticket and I was told that they were looking into it but no immediate tweaks would be made.  And I haven't heard anything since and in a couple hours the tourney starts.  I really don't remember many people complaining before they made this switch and now 3 days before the Naismith NT the new change comes in and completely changes the system. 

Any day its done will be three days before someone';s tournament.  Its already been stated that these changes can't be done on a rolling world by world basis.

sorry if this is a repeat of someone else's post, but: one of the coaching 'talents' in this game is knowing how to schedule. there's more to it (or there should be more to it) than predicting who the best teams will be next season and garnering a tough schedule...part of the coach's job should be scheduling the toughest schedule that they can win - either because their team is more talented than the other teams or by out-coaching their opponents. to put a 7-20 team in the post season is, imho, rewarding mediocrity. similarly, if the only teams that a coach / team can beat are sub-par (bc they're less talented or coached by sim, etc), the system should not be rewarding them either.

7-20 should never be in the postseason. 22-6 with a 66 RPI seems like it ought to be good enough for the PIT IMHO.