"Improved" selection does not seem improved at all Topic

I saw this at ESPN.com., written by Brian Fremeau of 'Football Outsiders'

" According to five of the seven computer polls included in the BCS, the Oklahoma State Cowboys are the second-best team in the country and Alabama is third. Those systems don't include margin of victory data due to BCS rules prohibiting it, and when we expand to include many other systems that do, Alabama edges out Oklahoma State for the second spot."

My addition (seriously):

Oklahoma State has cancelled future home-and-home series with N.C. State and Purdue and added Texas-San Antonio, Lamar, and Louisiana-Lafayette.
12/6/2011 6:55 AM (edited)

The Big East only placed 5 teams in the Dance yet UConn and St. John's played in the 2nd round.
The SEC (with 7 teams) had Florida meeting Mississippi St.
The Pac-10 (with 8 teams) had Stanford against Arizona.

There are 16 foursomes in the 64-team tournament.  There's no reason for teams to meet a conference foe in the 2nd round. 

 If seble isn't able to fix these problems before the Wooden tournament this week, I've suggested that he review the seedings before the next NT and manually change any conference discrepancies before releasing them. I'd be willing to wait until later in the morning  for the release if it'd prevent such foibles.

12/6/2011 7:24 AM
Posted by alblack56 on 12/6/2011 7:24:00 AM (view original):

The Big East only placed 5 teams in the Dance yet UConn and St. John's played in the 2nd round.
The SEC (with 7 teams) had Florida meeting Mississippi St.
The Pac-10 (with 8 teams) had Stanford against Arizona.

There are 16 foursomes in the 64-team tournament.  There's no reason for teams to meet a conference foe in the 2nd round. 

 If seble isn't able to fix these problems before the Wooden tournament this week, I've suggested that he review the seedings before the next NT and manually change any conference discrepancies before releasing them. I'd be willing to wait until later in the morning  for the release if it'd prevent such foibles.

Take into consideration seeding. Just because there are 8 teams in the tourney, you can't just spread out their seeds to avoid 2nd round matchups. I don't know the example your speaking of but say the pac 10 has 8 teams in the tournament, but with seeding, it may be inevitable for teams to meet in the 2nd round. Can't change a team from a 2 seed to a 3 seed just to avoid a 2nd round matchup.

12/6/2011 11:02 AM
Posted by salag on 12/6/2011 11:02:00 AM (view original):
Posted by alblack56 on 12/6/2011 7:24:00 AM (view original):

The Big East only placed 5 teams in the Dance yet UConn and St. John's played in the 2nd round.
The SEC (with 7 teams) had Florida meeting Mississippi St.
The Pac-10 (with 8 teams) had Stanford against Arizona.

There are 16 foursomes in the 64-team tournament.  There's no reason for teams to meet a conference foe in the 2nd round. 

 If seble isn't able to fix these problems before the Wooden tournament this week, I've suggested that he review the seedings before the next NT and manually change any conference discrepancies before releasing them. I'd be willing to wait until later in the morning  for the release if it'd prevent such foibles.

Take into consideration seeding. Just because there are 8 teams in the tourney, you can't just spread out their seeds to avoid 2nd round matchups. I don't know the example your speaking of but say the pac 10 has 8 teams in the tournament, but with seeding, it may be inevitable for teams to meet in the 2nd round. Can't change a team from a 2 seed to a 3 seed just to avoid a 2nd round matchup.

Yes, you can change the seeding.  The selection committee is allowed to move a school one seed up or down in order to avoid such matchups.   Now, with 10 teams from the Big East last year, there were 2nd round matchups, UConn and Cincinnati being one.  But with teams 8 or fewer, it should be no problem.

The committee also tries to avoid any regular season rematches in the first round.  Formerly,  they had a rule that you couldn't meet a team in the 1st round that you played in the previous  season's tournament.  But I think that rule has been dropped.

The committee is allowed to matchup two conference teams in the 2nd round but ONLY if all attempts have been exhausted to match them in the Elite Eight.
12/6/2011 4:18 PM (edited)
I'd like some feedback on a specific team comparison.  It's in another thread.  Please post thoughts in that thread.  Thanks.

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12/6/2011 6:16 PM
seble, can you confirm that you've made the fix to ensure that conference mates won't face each other so early in the NT?

That logic was definitely built into the seedings before the change, so it's very doable (and necessary).
12/6/2011 10:57 PM
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