Posted by treyomo on 12/13/2011 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by reinsel on 12/13/2011 11:15:00 AM (view original):
A+ Teams would be able to stockpile so much talent they would be too good.  The big boys are the only ones hurt by EEs (usually) so its really another advatange for the BCS conferences.

Yes, but if the big boys have 4-5 schollies open every season, that makes their recruiting budgets that much higher and more difficult to recruit against. It's the whole chicken and egg argument - I personally have a tough time recruiting against the Big 10 elites when they almost always have more scholarship openings than me. No easy solution.

Yes, this does make it a slightly two-sided coin. But ask the coach of any big-time program if it would be easier for him to kick everyone's butt if he stopped losing EE's, and the answer would be unanimous. Losing EE's sucks. Suggesting that the big boys not losing EE's would actually hurt them overall and help the other teams overall is way overthinking things.

Posted by reinsel on 12/13/2011 11:15:00 AM (view original):
A+ Teams would be able to stockpile so much talent they would be too good.  The big boys are the only ones hurt by EEs (usually) so its really another advatange for the BCS conferences.

/beginbitching   

Usually is right.  I just lost an EE for the 2nd time in 4 seasons as a B- rated mid-major.  The first one wasn't so shocking as he was nearly rated 900 and I think was a first team AA as a redshirt jr. 

This one....I'm stunned.  As a true Jr, he was 3rd team all conference...not even honorable mention AA.  The ratings are good, but not earth shattering.  The ath and def are kind of low I would think.  What makes it more surprising is the fact that I had two other Jrs that made 2nd team AA that did not go early.  On one hand I could consider this lucky to not have lost those guys instead, but on the other hand I had the ability to absorb a loss in the back court much better than in the front court where I now only return 2 players because of this EE and the graduation of first team AA John Rotter.  I had hoped I'd get out of it without losing anyone since I was set to lose 5 players already....not realizing that rule didn't apply if walkons were involved.  

Athleticism	73	2
Speed	47	4
Rebounding	99
Defense	78
Shot Blocking	88
Low-post	95	3
Perimeter	46	18
Ball Handling	46	6
Passing	39
Work Ethic	74	8
Stamina	88	5
Durability	75	2
FT Shooting	B

/endbitching

I'm in the same conference as bow2dacowz (which isn't a Big 6 conference so we don't get big recruiting dollars), except I'm only at a C+ prestige school (and have never been higher than a C+), and just had an EE with only having ever gone into the NT tournament as an at-large bid (never winning the CT), never winning an NT game, and never having an RPI below 40...

My JR PF just made 2nd team all conference twice, wasn't even a honorable mention for AA and while I expected a slim chance for my JR SG to get drafted, I didn't expect my PF to go instead (who was barely over 800 at 804).

Why is a program like mine having an EE when I've had zero success so far at the NT tourney (and how does WIS expect me to actually advance in the tourney with crap like this happening)?
 

Athleticism	63
Speed	53	2
Rebounding	98	1
Defense	86	3
Shot Blocking	79	1
Low-post	83
Perimeter	43	20
Ball Handling	50	1
Passing	61	6
Work Ethic	86	5
Stamina	80	2
Durability	22
FT Shooting	C+

Are you guys sending these examples to seble? I hope so. And keep pushing beyond the first BS response or two ...

These guys shouldn't be leaving anyway, but it kind of seems to me that it is easier for mid-majors to lose EE's in this new logic, which would be an awful turn of events.

I haven't.  I don't really know what leg I'd have to stand on other than my own opinion

Several legs, lol.

Those guys aren't good enough to be leaving early, especially from non-BCS teams.
Non-elite players leaving early from mid-majors is absolutely horrible for the game. The BCS conferences are already too dominant.
They supposedly just tweaked EE's for the better, and early returns on the change are extremely negative.

Seble needs to hear these things. A lot. He needs to hear from lots of people that they don't like what he's done. Otherwise we'll all just be suffering in silence.

We'll give it a try...

Seems to me the simple fix (which im sure isnt simple) is to balance out the % of bigs and smalls going in the draft. Wouldnt help the big 6 teams...actually it might since more sr guards would go...but certainly would mitigate the loss of good but not great mid major players

I simply think they should make it extremely hard for non-BCS teams to lose kids early, and almost impossible without a real NT run. That would do it.

I need to just go to bed and put today behind me...but wow...can't help but notice the ridiculous front court talent returning on some of the B6 conference teams that made solid postseason runs and lose less than 5 players to graduation.  frustrating.  looking forward to my canned CS responses tomorrow

Well I got the canned CS response to my submitted ticket:

12/18/2011 5:50 PM	buddhagamer
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind why my Raymond Davis, a 804 JR PF from a non-BCS conference and from a mid-major team which hasn't won a CT, nor a single NT game in all my 4 years here goes early exit? Meanwhile a 1001 rated JR SF in Jess Leonard of Boston College stays for his SR year? How in the world am I suppose to compete with that?
12/19/2011 1:41 PM	Customer Support
Thanks for the note. We primarily look at ratings, team success & individual awards. Stats play a very minor role as they are easily manipulated by coaches. All players are ranked based on ratings, national awards (e.g. All-American team), team wins, division, and prestige. Underclassmen then make their decision based on where they project combined with their current class. So, for example,a sophomore would require a higher projection than a junior in order for them to leave for the draft.

haha...me too.

12/19/2011 1:56 PM	Customer Support
Thanks for the note. We primarily look at ratings, team success & individual awards. Stats play a very minor role as they are easily manipulated by coaches. All players are ranked based on ratings, national awards (e.g. All-American team), team wins, division, and prestige. Underclassmen then make their decision based on where they project combined with their current class. So, for example,a sophomore would require a higher projection than a junior in order for them to leave for the draft.
12/19/2011 7:57 PM	bow2dacowz
Thank you, I read the FAQ. But that does NOT explain how a player that won no awards and comes from a lower prestige team relative to the Big 6 conferences leaves early when there are significantly better players at the same positions playing on Big 6 teams losing fewer than 5 players that did not go early.

Keep pushing, guys ...

i had a guy go too this year... my first EE (i guess go me recruiting wise), screws me at guard this coming season, but it should be anice presitgue bump...

There is clearly something going on with the new EE change -- teams that never would've lost someone before are losing someone now. In Rupp, Wichita State, which did not make the postseason, lost a guy.

This is bad for the game.