I wish I had more hands so I could give your spazzy posts 4 thumbs down

Posted by hughesjr on 12/28/2011 12:27:00 PM (view original):
As a general rule, I don't talk to any other coaches during recruiting, except via the Coaches Corner, so everyone else can see it.

+1

Posted by seble on 12/29/2011 5:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by llamanunts on 12/29/2011 10:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 12/28/2011 8:37:00 AM (view original):

How will you be able to find out the potential of a Transfer player? (zhawks - Hall of Famer - 2:49 PM)

Scouting services don't cover transfers. That information can only be determined via either traditional recruiting tactics or via sitemailing his old coach.

Right.  How did this get lost in the discussion?  Seems like it's explicitly permitted.

Actually, this chat was before I took over.  I don't think it's appropriate to ask another coach to reveal information about a player that's not readily available to everyone.

horray! very glad you posted here. thanks seble.

two comments on this topic. first, the RL example is meaningless. sure, this game is meant to mimic real life. but it is NOT real life. and there is an explicit fair play policy that outlaws this kind of behavior. first and foremost, this is a basketball game, and the rules of the game should be the highest authority on what is right and what is wrong.

second, i think the simplest way to think about this stuff is that any private discussion that gives you situation-specific information that gives you an advantage, is unethical. so, if you are recruiting a player, and someone gives you info about his attributes, that is unethical. if you ask another coach about the effort he put into a recruit, even without revealing player attributes, it is still unethical.

when is it ok to talk to another coach, privately, during recruiting? simple. when that conversation would have the same (or greater) value to you if you had the conversation before you saw the recruits. so, you may see a recruit who is 250 miles away, and ask a veteran what your mix of CV:HV should be in that case. while it is specific to a particular recruit, nothing is stopping you from asking that question before you knew that recruit existed. if you asked a day ago or a year ago, you get the same info. that is fine.

thats my take at least. i know some coaches think it makes the game more fun for coaches to talk during recruiting. but where do you draw the line? its damn near impossible unless you don't allow it at all, and i am glad the fair play guidelines agree.

Very well said. Thanks for that.

i wonder how seble would address the situation where a coach sends a sm w/a player's potential during a season, and then the recruit transfers? doesn't that give the recipient an unfair advantage? are we now prohibited from ever discussing a player's potential while the player is on a team???

Posted by jtt8355 on 12/30/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
i wonder how seble would address the situation where a coach sends a sm w/a player's potential during a season, and then the recruit transfers? doesn't that give the recipient an unfair advantage? are we now prohibited from ever discussing a player's potential while the player is on a team???

thats fine. you are allowed to talk about your teams and players during the season. realistically, the advantage one could garner during the next recruiting season is negligible, so its really not an issue. its far more important to allow players to discuss their teams.

Posted by coach_billyg on 12/29/2011 8:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 12/28/2011 12:27:00 PM (view original):
As a general rule, I don't talk to any other coaches during recruiting, except via the Coaches Corner, so everyone else can see it.

+1

and even if something is in the coaches corner, that doesnt mean it isnt collusion or against the fair plauy requirement - but it does help a lot

Posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2011 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jtt8355 on 12/30/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
i wonder how seble would address the situation where a coach sends a sm w/a player's potential during a season, and then the recruit transfers? doesn't that give the recipient an unfair advantage? are we now prohibited from ever discussing a player's potential while the player is on a team???

thats fine. you are allowed to talk about your teams and players during the season. realistically, the advantage one could garner during the next recruiting season is negligible, so its really not an issue. its far more important to allow players to discuss their teams.

Frankly, I think this is a bad answer.

From what I have gathered, everyone seems to be citing some black-and-white rule that any distribution of inaccessible (free) information is impermissible "ethically."  Now you have injected an inherently subjective usefulness/prejudicial balancing test.  Do I disagree with your answer that it's "fine"?  No.  Do I think we should be using your ethics as the line in which we shall never cross?  No.

The problem when we start subjectively answering that something is "fine" based on our own subjective weight given to a specific circumstance is that everyone will give different factors different weight.  What you deem good for the game, others may not. 

Either we have rules or we don't.

if your in the same division, why would anyone give someone else information like that when they could potentially be playing them in the tourney?  it was nice and all when the coach let the marshall football coaches watch their game film, but that was just a movie.  this is real life competition that costs $12 a month.  its serious.  jk

Posted by isack24 on 12/30/2011 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2011 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jtt8355 on 12/30/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
i wonder how seble would address the situation where a coach sends a sm w/a player's potential during a season, and then the recruit transfers? doesn't that give the recipient an unfair advantage? are we now prohibited from ever discussing a player's potential while the player is on a team???

thats fine. you are allowed to talk about your teams and players during the season. realistically, the advantage one could garner during the next recruiting season is negligible, so its really not an issue. its far more important to allow players to discuss their teams.

Frankly, I think this is a bad answer.

From what I have gathered, everyone seems to be citing some black-and-white rule that any distribution of inaccessible (free) information is impermissible "ethically."  Now you have injected an inherently subjective usefulness/prejudicial balancing test.  Do I disagree with your answer that it's "fine"?  No.  Do I think we should be using your ethics as the line in which we shall never cross?  No.

The problem when we start subjectively answering that something is "fine" based on our own subjective weight given to a specific circumstance is that everyone will give different factors different weight.  What you deem good for the game, others may not. 

Either we have rules or we don't.

We have rules, called the fair play guidelines. Nothing prohibits you from discussing you team with another coach. What is not allowed, if I remember correctly, outside of recruiting - is any collusion or agreement to throw games in whole or in part, for any reason.

Do I think everybody should follow my ethics as the line to cross? No. You should use the FairPlay guidelines. I will however continue to offer my opinion on how to interpret those guidelines :)