Posted by rednation58 on 1/13/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
How can you battle a d2 school at d3 with the small budgets given at that level? In this situation I don't think it's wise. If you're battling other d3 schools then maybe but there are so many similar players at the lower levels why waste the money battling when there's a twin recruit up the road?

It's a sim. Still, if u pick smart, u can easily win D3 vs d2 even vs humans - but ESPECiALLY sims. I haven't played there in a while, but when I did, over maybe 15 seasons i was probably 10 for 10 in battles with higher division sims and 5 for 6 on humans. Not doing anything special. Of course u don't want to battle if just as good a player is available cheap. But when there isn't... Fire away

Very true, another thing I just experienced. I called a player and he said I would be a backup option. I decided to call him again, and then on the next recruiting cycle he rejected my phone call. He isn't considering any other school so I don't know what made him change his mind, anyone got any experience about this kinda thing?

Posted by 29707 on 1/13/2012 11:45:00 PM (view original):
Ahh bummer, so he would just go nowhere for a year and be in next years recruiting cycle?

Yep.  By saying "never", he's saying "I'd rather go JuCo than play for you".

Posted by 29707 on 1/14/2012 2:18:00 AM (view original):
Very true, another thing I just experienced. I called a player and he said I would be a backup option. I decided to call him again, and then on the next recruiting cycle he rejected my phone call. He isn't considering any other school so I don't know what made him change his mind, anyone got any experience about this kinda thing?

why are you calling him again? if you want to pull him down send scouting evals...

Instead of sending scouting evals you can just wait for him to eventually drop down right? That's what I was going. Was going to let him drop down instead of doing a pull down.

Posted by coach_billyg on 1/14/2012 12:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednation58 on 1/13/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
How can you battle a d2 school at d3 with the small budgets given at that level? In this situation I don't think it's wise. If you're battling other d3 schools then maybe but there are so many similar players at the lower levels why waste the money battling when there's a twin recruit up the road?

It's a sim. Still, if u pick smart, u can easily win D3 vs d2 even vs humans - but ESPECiALLY sims. I haven't played there in a while, but when I did, over maybe 15 seasons i was probably 10 for 10 in battles with higher division sims and 5 for 6 on humans. Not doing anything special. Of course u don't want to battle if just as good a player is available cheap. But when there isn't... Fire away

That's not always true, and I had an experience with my George Fox team this past cycle that proves it.

I was being considered by a good PG pulldown within the conventional distance, when a D2 team came along and jumped on him.  I had a full day's consideration credit, but because the D2 team had 10 open scholarships and probably over $30,000 to spend  (I had roughly 10k), my chances of keeping the recruit away from that D2 school were slim and none.

It wasn't even worth spending money on trying.
 

Posted by 29707 on 1/14/2012 3:45:00 AM (view original):
Instead of sending scouting evals you can just wait for him to eventually drop down right? That's what I was going. Was going to let him drop down instead of doing a pull down.

Yes you can wait for a drop down. You never want to attempt too many pulldowns in one recruiting period. That's just asking for a class full of walk ons. Of course some coaches can pull off several pulldowns in one cycle, but for the rest of us you want to pick your shots and mix pulldowns with dropdowns.

Thank you very much guys, usually I just recruit players in the DIII area, but this recruiting cycle I decided to go out and look in the division above and there is a noticeable difference in the quality of recruits I've been able to get.  It really is true that while recruiting, patience is a huge help.

How come the press doesn't seem to be as effective in DI as it is in DII and DIII?

You need 11 players to run the press effectively (or 10 with excellent stamina). Teams at D1 often find themselves running a 9 or even 8 deep due to recruiting issues. Its just too risky

Or so it would seem

Posted by ethan66 on 1/14/2012 3:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 1/14/2012 12:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednation58 on 1/13/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
How can you battle a d2 school at d3 with the small budgets given at that level? In this situation I don't think it's wise. If you're battling other d3 schools then maybe but there are so many similar players at the lower levels why waste the money battling when there's a twin recruit up the road?

It's a sim. Still, if u pick smart, u can easily win D3 vs d2 even vs humans - but ESPECiALLY sims. I haven't played there in a while, but when I did, over maybe 15 seasons i was probably 10 for 10 in battles with higher division sims and 5 for 6 on humans. Not doing anything special. Of course u don't want to battle if just as good a player is available cheap. But when there isn't... Fire away

That's not always true, and I had an experience with my George Fox team this past cycle that proves it.

I was being considered by a good PG pulldown within the conventional distance, when a D2 team came along and jumped on him.  I had a full day's consideration credit, but because the D2 team had 10 open scholarships and probably over $30,000 to spend  (I had roughly 10k), my chances of keeping the recruit away from that D2 school were slim and none.

It wasn't even worth spending money on trying.
 

thats kind of the point. you have to pick the battles carefully. you only want to initiate a potential battle situation unless you feel you have the advantage. but when a d2 school jumps on your player, hes initiating the situation - and you should often stop spending completely. when you do choose to battle, you can win most of them. however, in learning, you will definitely loose some too. i took my share of lickings as well, but you learn to spot the situations after enough of em. with 10 scholarships, that d2 team had a ton of money - definitely not an ideal situation. his distance and prestige aren't mentioned, both those are also major factors.

although it may not be a factor to some... i always thought it was a lot of fun - the strategy of deciding if and when to battle. so i never really minded when i lost, it was still fun. the reality is, there are so many "good" players available in d3, you can often get them really cheaply. so before you get into a heavy battle, you want to make sure you get your ducks in a row, so you expect only 1 walk on if you lose. you should also have a couple thousand when signings rolls around, so you can replace anybody you might have lost.

so basically... i think you can put yourself in a situation where losing a battle causes fairly little damage to your team, with a good chunk of cash left at that point. if so, why not take a shot with that money? its got to be a good enough player and its got to be a situation you think you can win, but those situations do exist. picking off simAI recuits is a great way to start.