Posted by girt25 on 2/1/2012 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 2/1/2012 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by majresorter on 2/1/2012 2:27:00 PM (view original):
I haven't been following any of the whatif stuff that closely. Just surprised. Definately a bad way to do it. A national title, with the same coach being there would make you an A+ prestige in real life, if we do want to talk real life. O well, not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I missed recruiting the past year so you get what you deserve I guess.
I disagree. If this is D1, you would be right, but you are talking D3 here. D3 teams fluctuate up and down pretty regularly. No way would you miss the NT (assuming there is a D3 NT) and PI and still remain as A+. Can you even name who won the D3 NC this year, or the year before, without looking it up?
That's just not really true. I'm not even sure what you're basing that on.
The fact that you can't name the D3 champ is a reflection of the fact that you don't follow D3 ball, not a reflection of the fact that they're not an absolute big dog when it comes to signing high-level D3 talent.
There are absolutely big-time D2 and D3 programs that people recognize as prime places to play ball compared their brethren. And those schools absolutely do not lose that status if they have one lesser season.
I'm basing it on the fact that I went to a D3 powerhouse and followed D3 basketball. You are really gonna argue that D3 prestige carries the same value as D1 prestige? And is A+ drop to B+ drop (the alblack case) really that significant? There are generally 14-18 A+ teams in D3, with the B+ team being about 30-38th in terms of prestige. Just by a pure ranking by ranking basis, the team went from top 15 to top 30 or top 35, that's not that huge of a drop either. You are still well within the top 10% of teams in the nation.
And I agree, there are indeed D3 powerhouses in every sport. Mary-Hardin Baylor is beastly in football, while schools like Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, and some of the Wisconsin schools are the premier teams in D3 basketball. But what happens when one of these teams do poorly for 2 to 3 consecutive seasons (which is what happened to maj's team after the NC)? Do they still attract the same level of recruits as the other teams which have maintained the same level of excellence?
Or making it more concrete, say you are a northeast HS player 2 years from now, who's almost good enough to play D2 ball, and you get an offer from Williams, Amherst, and Middlebury. As of current day, Williams and Middlebury are better than Amherst in basketball and "more prestigious." Now let's assume in the next 2 seasons, Amherst wins NESCACs and Little 3 championships, and wins NC for both years, while Williams miss the tourney and goes sub-500 in NESCAC play. You get offer from these 3 schools, which one would you choose? You would choose Amherst because of it's tremendous performance in the past 2 seasons, even though Williams has been more traditionally more prestigious.
2/1/2012 9:47 PM (edited)