Can someone please point me in the direction of the recruiting values of each recruiting item (or message me)?  I've seen several out there but cant seem to find them now.

If you are one of the veterans out there and want to offer up your opinions via sitemail, that would be great too :)

Thanks in advance,
Beef 

I don't think there's a consensus any longer. I hear a different story every time nowadays. 

Yeah, that's why I was trying to look into it.  Trying to establish what is the most recent thoughts on the subject.    

I heard that it is better to do Home Visits over Campus Visits if your recruit is 200 miles or less away. I am not 100% positive on that, but I did read that somewhere. From what I read, 2.5 HVs = a CV. So if the recruit is in your back yard, 2.5 HVs would cost $750 and a CV is $800.

HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 3:53:00 PM (view original):
HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

That would mean that a CV is worth about 2.34 HVs.  Where do you get that info from, Billy -- I had always heard the 2.5 number myself.

Posted by johnsensing on 2/6/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 3:53:00 PM (view original):
HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

That would mean that a CV is worth about 2.34 HVs.  Where do you get that info from, Billy -- I had always heard the 2.5 number myself.

How do you figure 2.34? At 300 or so miles, its about 400 to 1000 - about 2.5:1. At 400 or so miles, its about what like 750 to 1250? or 700 or 1200 ? which is like 1.67 (at 1250/750). So I'm just saying its between 2.5:1 and 1.67:1, really.

I get the info, of course, from trading notes on a crap load of battles and performing the calculations. Finite number of variables means given enough equations, you get the answer. I think most coaches, even the best in the game, make the mistake of looking too far into a single equation. You, for example, will never see me say the value of prestige is 2.0 and then a year later rescind that. Why? Because I had a list of 20 or so battles archived, built over time, and would always re-verify my figures against them all if I had reason to suspect any one of those values. I no longer have the data, but I also haven't traded notes on battles in years - because I got the values close enough where it didn't matter anymore. Every time a thread comes out about a crazy battle, I always re-check the numbers, and just from doing that over the last 2 years, have seen most of the common high values (2.5:1 HV:CV, 2:1 prestige) come up short, and never had a reason to question my tried-and-true figures. I think what often happens is people take a bad assumption in a value, like prestige, and put too much faith in it - and it leads to bad values of other figures, too. Like if you are always a top prestige program, with a high CV value, and use them when you shouldn't - then you will think your prestige is more valuable than it is.

I would claim the above example is EXACTLY why you see many of the most successful coaches in this game coming out with these high values, like 2.5 or 3:1, 2x prestige, etc... they all go hand-in-hand, and evolved together. You rarely see low values - like 1.5:1, 1.25X multiplier for prestige - because its the highly successful coaches who are confident in their values in the first place, and they have high prestige - which means high values will build on each other - while low values get weeded out.

My advice? Simply, do what I did. Start archiving your list of battle notes. When you get enough, you get good ones - ones where like, distance and prestige are the same, or the manner of spending is the same and distance is thus a concrete factor, leaving mostly just prestige. Put those all together, and you can get damn close to the exact value (within 0.1).

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by johnsensing on 2/6/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 3:53:00 PM (view original):
HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

That would mean that a CV is worth about 2.34 HVs.  Where do you get that info from, Billy -- I had always heard the 2.5 number myself.

How do you figure 2.34? At 300 or so miles, its about 400 to 1000 - about 2.5:1. At 400 or so miles, its about what like 750 to 1250? or 700 or 1200 ? which is like 1.67 (at 1250/750). So I'm just saying its between 2.5:1 and 1.67:1, really.

I get the info, of course, from trading notes on a crap load of battles and performing the calculations. Finite number of variables means given enough equations, you get the answer. I think most coaches, even the best in the game, make the mistake of looking too far into a single equation. You, for example, will never see me say the value of prestige is 2.0 and then a year later rescind that. Why? Because I had a list of 20 or so battles archived, built over time, and would always re-verify my figures against them all if I had reason to suspect any one of those values. I no longer have the data, but I also haven't traded notes on battles in years - because I got the values close enough where it didn't matter anymore. Every time a thread comes out about a crazy battle, I always re-check the numbers, and just from doing that over the last 2 years, have seen most of the common high values (2.5:1 HV:CV, 2:1 prestige) come up short, and never had a reason to question my tried-and-true figures. I think what often happens is people take a bad assumption in a value, like prestige, and put too much faith in it - and it leads to bad values of other figures, too. Like if you are always a top prestige program, with a high CV value, and use them when you shouldn't - then you will think your prestige is more valuable than it is.

I would claim the above example is EXACTLY why you see many of the most successful coaches in this game coming out with these high values, like 2.5 or 3:1, 2x prestige, etc... they all go hand-in-hand, and evolved together. You rarely see low values - like 1.5:1, 1.25X multiplier for prestige - because its the highly successful coaches who are confident in their values in the first place, and they have high prestige - which means high values will build on each other - while low values get weeded out.

My advice? Simply, do what I did. Start archiving your list of battle notes. When you get enough, you get good ones - ones where like, distance and prestige are the same, or the manner of spending is the same and distance is thus a concrete factor, leaving mostly just prestige. Put those all together, and you can get damn close to the exact value (within 0.1).

I figured 2.34 because at 360 miles, that is the relative value of HV to CV.  I just looked at a guy 360 miles away from me, and ran the numbers that way.

Posted by johnsensing on 2/7/2012 6:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by johnsensing on 2/6/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 3:53:00 PM (view original):
HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

That would mean that a CV is worth about 2.34 HVs.  Where do you get that info from, Billy -- I had always heard the 2.5 number myself.

How do you figure 2.34? At 300 or so miles, its about 400 to 1000 - about 2.5:1. At 400 or so miles, its about what like 750 to 1250? or 700 or 1200 ? which is like 1.67 (at 1250/750). So I'm just saying its between 2.5:1 and 1.67:1, really.

I get the info, of course, from trading notes on a crap load of battles and performing the calculations. Finite number of variables means given enough equations, you get the answer. I think most coaches, even the best in the game, make the mistake of looking too far into a single equation. You, for example, will never see me say the value of prestige is 2.0 and then a year later rescind that. Why? Because I had a list of 20 or so battles archived, built over time, and would always re-verify my figures against them all if I had reason to suspect any one of those values. I no longer have the data, but I also haven't traded notes on battles in years - because I got the values close enough where it didn't matter anymore. Every time a thread comes out about a crazy battle, I always re-check the numbers, and just from doing that over the last 2 years, have seen most of the common high values (2.5:1 HV:CV, 2:1 prestige) come up short, and never had a reason to question my tried-and-true figures. I think what often happens is people take a bad assumption in a value, like prestige, and put too much faith in it - and it leads to bad values of other figures, too. Like if you are always a top prestige program, with a high CV value, and use them when you shouldn't - then you will think your prestige is more valuable than it is.

I would claim the above example is EXACTLY why you see many of the most successful coaches in this game coming out with these high values, like 2.5 or 3:1, 2x prestige, etc... they all go hand-in-hand, and evolved together. You rarely see low values - like 1.5:1, 1.25X multiplier for prestige - because its the highly successful coaches who are confident in their values in the first place, and they have high prestige - which means high values will build on each other - while low values get weeded out.

My advice? Simply, do what I did. Start archiving your list of battle notes. When you get enough, you get good ones - ones where like, distance and prestige are the same, or the manner of spending is the same and distance is thus a concrete factor, leaving mostly just prestige. Put those all together, and you can get damn close to the exact value (within 0.1).

I figured 2.34 because at 360 miles, that is the relative value of HV to CV.  I just looked at a guy 360 miles away from me, and ran the numbers that way.

It depends on the 360 - you'll see pretty significant variables there.  A recruit will display at 360 if they are between 355 and 364 miles away, but over 360 causes a significant jump.

so if a guy is 20 miles from me... you guys are saying it's better to send out 10 home visits than 4 campus visits? 

Posted by trobone on 2/7/2012 8:46:00 AM (view original):
so if a guy is 20 miles from me... you guys are saying it's better to send out 10 home visits than 4 campus visits? 

by a lot no less!

Posted by johnsensing on 2/7/2012 6:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 4:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by johnsensing on 2/6/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 2/6/2012 3:53:00 PM (view original):
HV is best under 360, CV is best over 360. in terms of credit only, of course, not information gathered.

That would mean that a CV is worth about 2.34 HVs.  Where do you get that info from, Billy -- I had always heard the 2.5 number myself.

How do you figure 2.34? At 300 or so miles, its about 400 to 1000 - about 2.5:1. At 400 or so miles, its about what like 750 to 1250? or 700 or 1200 ? which is like 1.67 (at 1250/750). So I'm just saying its between 2.5:1 and 1.67:1, really.

I get the info, of course, from trading notes on a crap load of battles and performing the calculations. Finite number of variables means given enough equations, you get the answer. I think most coaches, even the best in the game, make the mistake of looking too far into a single equation. You, for example, will never see me say the value of prestige is 2.0 and then a year later rescind that. Why? Because I had a list of 20 or so battles archived, built over time, and would always re-verify my figures against them all if I had reason to suspect any one of those values. I no longer have the data, but I also haven't traded notes on battles in years - because I got the values close enough where it didn't matter anymore. Every time a thread comes out about a crazy battle, I always re-check the numbers, and just from doing that over the last 2 years, have seen most of the common high values (2.5:1 HV:CV, 2:1 prestige) come up short, and never had a reason to question my tried-and-true figures. I think what often happens is people take a bad assumption in a value, like prestige, and put too much faith in it - and it leads to bad values of other figures, too. Like if you are always a top prestige program, with a high CV value, and use them when you shouldn't - then you will think your prestige is more valuable than it is.

I would claim the above example is EXACTLY why you see many of the most successful coaches in this game coming out with these high values, like 2.5 or 3:1, 2x prestige, etc... they all go hand-in-hand, and evolved together. You rarely see low values - like 1.5:1, 1.25X multiplier for prestige - because its the highly successful coaches who are confident in their values in the first place, and they have high prestige - which means high values will build on each other - while low values get weeded out.

My advice? Simply, do what I did. Start archiving your list of battle notes. When you get enough, you get good ones - ones where like, distance and prestige are the same, or the manner of spending is the same and distance is thus a concrete factor, leaving mostly just prestige. Put those all together, and you can get damn close to the exact value (within 0.1).

I figured 2.34 because at 360 miles, that is the relative value of HV to CV.  I just looked at a guy 360 miles away from me, and ran the numbers that way.

oh. so i am really saying 2.34 CV:HV or less? yeah, i have no problem saying that. that is absolutely correct