Who's the better Rebounder? Topic

Choice A:

ATH - 50
SPD - 50
REB - 95

Choice B:

ATH - 90
SPD - 35
REB - 75

Choice C:

ATH - 65
SPD - 45
REB - 85

I know rebounding is a function of these three attributes, but anybody have a specific formula they use?

2/19/2012 1:19 PM
I think Choice B is the way to go, based on ATH and REB. But I honestly don't know how much SPD plays into rebounding ability, so wait to see what other, more experienced, coaches say.
2/19/2012 1:21 PM
I'm pretty sure speed has almost no effect.  For rebounding alone, I think A is the best.  Ath is big for everything, though, so depending on the other attributes, B might be the best overall choice.
2/19/2012 1:35 PM
Agreed that sp has little effect.

I do think that reb is the very clear #1 though. Try putting a guy with poor reb and very high ath on your front line -- he will not do well from a rebounding perspective.
2/19/2012 1:43 PM
I would go with B definitely. C might be equally as effective as B in a zone, where ATH plays a bit less of a role. 
B is definitely the better offensive rebounder. A has too low ATH to be a super-effective rebounder. 


2/19/2012 2:02 PM
I think A is the best rebounder. Reb has the biggest impact on rebounding, not ath. 
2/19/2012 2:22 PM
I would want B on my team, he's the best player.  I think he's likely the worst rebounder of the 3, but they're all very close in terms of overall rebounding ability, so the guy likely to be the best overall player (based on these three ratings) would be the one I want.  One of the best D3 rebounders I've had graduated with like 42 ATH but had 100 reb and grabbed a ton of boards.
2/19/2012 2:36 PM
i dont think spd is a factor in rebounding at all. i always figured it was small because i couldnt really tell a difference, and most people seem to agree, but CS says it isn't a factor (the factors being reb, ath, iq, stamina, durability (last 2 included as a technicality)). so i figure that personally i was just expecting spd HAD to be a factor, thats why i thought it was - not because of any measurable impact.

i agree with dahs... would want B on my team, but probably the worst rebounder. A is the best looking at rebounding ability alone.
2/19/2012 2:46 PM
Comparing two players on my team, I would say REB is far more important than ATH when it comes to rebounding.

Here are the players:

Robert Fung

John Baker

As you can see, Fung has nearly twice as much ATH than Baker, but they have the same REB rating.

Fung averaged 6.7 rpg, while playing 18.4 mpg.

Baker averaged 5.7 rpg while playing 16.5 mpg.

If Baker had the same amount of mpg as Fung, he would have 6.3 rpg, which is a slightly lower than Fung.

Because REB has a much bigger impact on rebounding, player A would be the best rebounder.
2/19/2012 3:36 PM
It seems like the consensus here is that REB is by far the single largest factor contributing to a player's rebounding ability.

Here's an example that counters that assertion:

Player ATH REB STAM DUR IQ
Carlos Moss 84 64 87 86 N/A **
Phillip Steed 49 97 82 73 N/A **
* I included the above ratings based on coach_billyg's post above.
** They played zone defense. I don't know their exact IQs, but Steed was a senior (likely A+) and Moss was a junior (likely A or A-).

Now...their stats:

Moss averaged 8.0 rpg (2.4 orpg) , while playing 26.8 mpg.
Steed averaged 8.1 rpg (2.7 orpg), while playing 29.0 mpg.

Extrapolated to 40 minutes:

Moss averaged 11.9 rpg (3.6 orpg) per 40 minutes.
Steed averaged 11.2 rpg (3.7 orpg) per 40 minutes.

Clearly, the rebounding stats for these two were nearly identical despite the 33 point discrepancy in REB. The only other significant differences between Steed and Moss were the ATH rating (35 points), IQ, and position played in the zone. I can't remember where I played each, but I believe Steed played PF while Moss played C. But, they were moved around at times based on match ups.

This is a very small sample size, I know...but, what could have caused their rebounding stats to be so similar despite the significant difference in REB rating? Position played in the zone? ATH? Or a combination of both? Something else?

I'd be curious to hear thoughts on this example...


2/19/2012 4:55 PM
It has always been my understanding that C grabs more boards than PF. And I'm a little weary of your example, because you have Steed playing more minutes with less stamina. Seems to me that he was playing fatigued. 
2/19/2012 5:02 PM
Forgot to state my opinion based on these data, and my general experience over the past year playing this game.

My minimally substantiated belief is that ATH and REB are nearly equal in their impact on rebounding ability...
2/19/2012 5:02 PM
Posted by tianyi7886 on 2/19/2012 5:02:00 PM (view original):
It has always been my understanding that C grabs more boards than PF. And I'm a little weary of your example, because you have Steed playing more minutes with less stamina. Seems to me that he was playing fatigued. 
I thought the same as you in regards to a C grabbing more rebounds than a PF. But, the next season, I played Moss at PF almost the entire year....and he went on to grab more boards than my C.

Also, this year, in my 6 games played (including the two exhibitions), the starting PF has outrebounded the starting C by nearly 1 rpg, and 1 orpg. (I've moved two players back and forth between the two positions.) Again, that's a very small sample...but perhaps the difference in PF and C rebounding is not that significant after all...

As for Steed playing fatigued...that was certainly a factor, I agree. I kept his fatigue setting at "getting tired" the entire year. But, Steed also had a higher def IQ than Moss. So, I'd like to think fatigue and IQ balanced each other out over the course of the season...again leaving us with only the ATH and REB difference.
2/19/2012 5:36 PM
Posted by pepwaves on 2/19/2012 5:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 2/19/2012 5:02:00 PM (view original):
It has always been my understanding that C grabs more boards than PF. And I'm a little weary of your example, because you have Steed playing more minutes with less stamina. Seems to me that he was playing fatigued. 
I thought the same as you in regards to a C grabbing more rebounds than a PF. But, the next season, I played Moss at PF almost the entire year....and he went on to grab more boards than my C.

Also, this year, in my 6 games played (including the two exhibitions), the starting PF has outrebounded the starting C by nearly 1 rpg, and 1 orpg. (I've moved two players back and forth between the two positions.) Again, that's a very small sample...but perhaps the difference in PF and C rebounding is not that significant after all...

As for Steed playing fatigued...that was certainly a factor, I agree. I kept his fatigue setting at "getting tired" the entire year. But, Steed also had a higher def IQ than Moss. So, I'd like to think fatigue and IQ balanced each other out over the course of the season...again leaving us with only the ATH and REB difference.
IQ and fatigue don't quite balance out. A+ IQ is something like 96-100%, A is 93-95, A- is 90-93%. Difference between A+ and A/A- is minimal. Getting tired is somewhere around 80% efficiency. That's a huge difference. 
2/19/2012 5:49 PM
From where are you getting those numbers? I've seen IQ efficiency percentages similar to yours posted on the forums, but I've never seen someone put a number to efficiency based on fatigue. 

Nevertheless...using your numbers, Steed most likely only played at 80% efficiency for about 2-4 minutes a game, and 100% efficiency for his other 26 minutes. But, Moss played at 95% for the entire game (26.8mpg).

Someone more mathematically savvy could probably come up with an average efficiency % per 40 minutes for each, but fatigue and IQ seem like they should balance each other out in this case.
2/19/2012 6:31 PM
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