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Is it better for a players with good PER to be set at 0 or +1? Better to let the "sim" decide when to shoot the 3 ball in the flow of the offense, or give the player the green light at +1 or +2?
Assume these players also have good BH and SPD, also offense either motion or flex.
2/26/2012 1:00 PM
bow2dacowz
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i look hard at FT% before making that decision.  if a guy is going to suck from the line i'm more likely to set him as a +
2/26/2012 1:27 PM
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Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/26/2012 1:27:00 PM (view original):
i look hard at FT% before making that decision.  if a guy is going to suck from the line i'm more likely to set him as a +
Interesting angle that I've never thought about....
2/26/2012 1:31 PM
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Yeah, i agree with bow2dacowz. If someone is a high FT shooter, I will want him driving the basket more and not settling for jump shots. I have my bigs always set to -2 or -1 and adjust my guards according to their PER, ATH/SPD, and FT ratings.
2/26/2012 2:35 PM
johnner26
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Interesting. I'll keep that in mind.
2/27/2012 10:27 AM
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ditto to the FT thing, if he has bad passing.  i'd rather him shoot than turn it over.
2/27/2012 10:49 AM
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I think +2 is generally a bad idea - I think of it as meaning "toss up as much as you want, even if its a bad shot"
2/27/2012 10:51 AM
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I think that's kind of a huge over emphasis on the ft portion. If it's really a toss-up and that's the tie-breaker, I could totally see that. But otherwise, the difference between, say a a couple extra attempts for high 70's and mid 60's ft shooter just isn't enough to offset choosing what is otherwise the optimal 3pt setting and the resulting gain or loss from that.
2/27/2012 11:19 AM
salag
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Posted by metsmax on 2/27/2012 10:51:00 AM (view original):
I think +2 is generally a bad idea - I think of it as meaning "toss up as much as you want, even if its a bad shot"
I disagree. If your guys have 80+ PER and your huge underdogs, why not put it to +2 and let them jack up a few more three's than usual and try to pull the upset?
2/27/2012 11:55 AM
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Posted by girt25 on 2/27/2012 11:19:00 AM (view original):
I think that's kind of a huge over emphasis on the ft portion. If it's really a toss-up and that's the tie-breaker, I could totally see that. But otherwise, the difference between, say a a couple extra attempts for high 70's and mid 60's ft shooter just isn't enough to offset choosing what is otherwise the optimal 3pt setting and the resulting gain or loss from that.
depending on how strong their PER ability is, then it's absolutely enough.

I'm not saying have guys with no PER ability jack up 3's because they can't shoot free throws but if you have a player with good PER who is going to likely make at least 1 of his 3 extra 3 attempts instead of having to get to the line 5 or 6 times to make 3 free throws then I don't see how it couldn't make sense.
2/27/2012 12:21 PM
girt25
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Becuase you're hugely oversimplifying the numbers/calculations there.
2/27/2012 12:26 PM
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Posted by salag on 2/27/2012 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Posted by metsmax on 2/27/2012 10:51:00 AM (view original):
I think +2 is generally a bad idea - I think of it as meaning "toss up as much as you want, even if its a bad shot"
I disagree. If your guys have 80+ PER and your huge underdogs, why not put it to +2 and let them jack up a few more three's than usual and try to pull the upset?

you can do that, and I think going +1 and increasing distro is often a good idea

at +2, I fear that % will go way down - cant say that I have tried it frequently enough to prove that it will, seems to, but sample is small - go for it - and of course if its the best idea that one has against a superior team, no harm in trying

2/27/2012 12:29 PM
bow2dacowz
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ok girt.  its worked fine for me, so maybe theres more than just one way to skin a cat
2/27/2012 12:32 PM
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Posted by salag on 2/27/2012 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Posted by metsmax on 2/27/2012 10:51:00 AM (view original):
I think +2 is generally a bad idea - I think of it as meaning "toss up as much as you want, even if its a bad shot"
I disagree. If your guys have 80+ PER and your huge underdogs, why not put it to +2 and let them jack up a few more three's than usual and try to pull the upset?
Sure, that's one potential strategy in a very particular scenario.

It also ignore a lot of other variables -- what defense the other team is playing, how good they are at guarding the 3, etc. etc.

Just as viable a strategy for an upset might be saying, "well, let's bang it inside and try to really win the ft battle".
2/27/2012 12:35 PM
bow2dacowz
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well since we are talking about making these decisions on an individual player basis and not a full team basis and tweaking one crappy FT shooting, high PER player from 0 to +1 i think the one oversimplifying is you. i dont think that one move for one player who might now take a couple more 3's is going to blow up your pound it inside strategy.
2/27/2012 12:43 PM
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