the simmy labels - step backwards, not qualified, etc - dont do a great job of communicating

that said, it has been the case that the normal path to a BCS school in this game is two (or more) DI stops before you get to BCS.  That may have changed lately - I have not moved jobs in ages.  You may not like it.   There are exceptions for remarkable records - but that isnt the case here.  The general pattern seems reasonable to me - get some more success either at your current spot or move to a mid level spot and succeed there and a BCS job should follow

The best RPI you have ever had outside of LaVerne is a 36.  Outside of your time at LaVerne you have 1 NT win.  I think there is plenty of justification for not hiring you and saying you rode skunk's coattails.  And that is not a personal attack, it is just the facts.

Posted by cburton23 on 3/5/2012 12:08:00 PM (view original):
The best RPI you have ever had outside of LaVerne is a 36.  Outside of your time at LaVerne you have 1 NT win.  I think there is plenty of justification for not hiring you and saying you rode skunk's coattails.  And that is not a personal attack, it is just the facts.

Again, what does that have to do with the job hiring? Didn't realize the computer caref who preceded you as a coach. It's part of my resume so can't be ignored. that criticism is irrelevant to the question at hand and thus only advanced to belittle.

You not being hired and riding skunk's coattails are different issues, I just happened to combine them into the same post.  Does the computer care about using another coaches recruits or not?   I don't know.  What I do know is you have never had success beyond DIII, and your resume is not good enough for a Big 6 school.

They're related just in the sense that you were so indignant because of your resume, and though technically the computer doesn't recognize the difference, we all do and found it a bit ridiculous that you were this worked up when you hadn't achieved all that much (beating some sims in DI and riding skunk's coattails in D3).

I thought there was something that looked at who recruited players in giving some category of "credit" toward a coach's prestige/hirability??

I always through you got a percentage of the wins based on the number of your recruits on the roster.

here is at least one dev chat that stated the concept that it matters whether you win with your recruits or with others

http://www.wisjournal.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=55

Duke is a very good coach and I agree that he should be allowed to move up to a low level big 6 school based on his career in Knight. I've always hated the coaching logic, which to me is not logical.

I know the comparisons to real life arent always valid but could you ever imagine ANY big 6 school hiring a coach who has only been in D1 for 4 seasons and only made the NT from because he won his conference tourney against inferior competition. The supporters for that school would be calling for the ADs head for making that hire. In real life the coaches from smaller schools who get hired by big conference programs tend to be the ones who can get their team into the tourney without having to win their CT every year and win a couple games once they get there.

Posted by blackdog3377 on 3/5/2012 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I know the comparisons to real life arent always valid but could you ever imagine ANY big 6 school hiring a coach who has only been in D1 for 4 seasons and only made the NT from because he won his conference tourney against inferior competition. The supporters for that school would be calling for the ADs head for making that hire. In real life the coaches from smaller schools who get hired by big conference programs tend to be the ones who can get their team into the tourney without having to win their CT every year and win a couple games once they get there.

Um, try coach k at duke who never made the NCAA tourney at army, was9-17 in his last season there and stunk up the joint UN his first few years at duke. You may have heard of him. I think he's win a few games at duke

Posted by dukenilnil on 3/5/2012 6:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by blackdog3377 on 3/5/2012 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I know the comparisons to real life arent always valid but could you ever imagine ANY big 6 school hiring a coach who has only been in D1 for 4 seasons and only made the NT from because he won his conference tourney against inferior competition. The supporters for that school would be calling for the ADs head for making that hire. In real life the coaches from smaller schools who get hired by big conference programs tend to be the ones who can get their team into the tourney without having to win their CT every year and win a couple games once they get there.

Um, try coach k at duke who never made the NCAA tourney at army, was9-17 in his last season there and stunk up the joint UN his first few years at duke. You may have heard of him. I think he's win a few games at duke

Coach K is a pretty special case considering he had the recommendation of Bob Knight. Also he was an EXTREMELY unpopular hire and was even more unpopular when he was 38-47 in his first 3 seasons.

Even so single examples dont change the fact that schools in power conferences almost never hire someone without more D1 success than you currently have. Would you expect the coach from Vermont to be a candidate at a big school just for winning the CT 3 seasons in a row.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 3/5/2012 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Duke is a very good coach and I agree that he should be allowed to move up to a low level big 6 school based on his career in Knight. I've always hated the coaching logic, which to me is not logical.

of course you say that skunk. remember we're the same person. we switch teams in and all, right? ;)

Coach k coached at army for 5 seasons, you have been at JMU for 4. I know it's hard to believe, but that extra season matters here. The jobs I qualified for after the 4th season at Alcorn State and after the 5th are drastically different. 

Posted by metsmax on 3/5/2012 12:01:00 PM (view original):
the simmy labels - step backwards, not qualified, etc - dont do a great job of communicating

that said, it has been the case that the normal path to a BCS school in this game is two (or more) DI stops before you get to BCS.  That may have changed lately - I have not moved jobs in ages.  You may not like it.   There are exceptions for remarkable records - but that isnt the case here.  The general pattern seems reasonable to me - get some more success either at your current spot or move to a mid level spot and succeed there and a BCS job should follow

For what it's worth, I just went from D2 to the ACC.  I know of at least one other person in Wooden who went from D2 to the Big East.  I did have a decent amount of success in D2, although I didn't win a championship.  I really think it was the success + longevity.  I was there like 15 seasons or something.