Posted by westcoast22 on 3/28/2012 4:55:00 PM (view original):
Brian!!!!  I was curious where you went!!!  Same thing happened to me actually when I came back.  I complained to CS and they upped my Prestige so I could join.

You left Washburn right before I came back.  Now I am in the MVC!!

I was going to join but the simmy says im not qualified :-(  I guess i suck that bad

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 3/29/2012 8:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/28/2012 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wsredden on 3/28/2012 6:11:00 PM (view original):
These are the cases-in-point for why D-I is an abandoned ghost town in many conferences and in many worlds.  Serious coaches who either make deep tourney runs after several successful seasons in D-II aren't considered longshots for D+ prestige jobs, and even one of the best coaches in the entire game's history can't get consideration.

It's absurd:  it diminishes the talent pool of capable coaches in D-I, it inhibits mid-major conferences from competing with the BCS ones, and it's costly to the businessmen on bottom-line principles whenever people (like Brian) decide to cash in their chips and wave goodbye to WIS.

The idea that Brian couldn't get a job with his track record over Simmy's 4-23 (1-15) squad is stupid beyond comprehension.

He should have never dropped down to D3 and hurt his rep. He could have jumped into D1 power conf (MWC, A-10, maybe a weak BCS conf) is he just stayed at D2. 

+1

Also, remember the most recent seasons count the most, and his last two seasons are WEAK.

Thanks for stating the obvious, which has already been stated a dozen times.  

 However, it's not the point.  The point is that brip's track record is better than a 'D' prestige SIM coming off a 4-win season at a mid-major conference.  .  His 16 seasons of loyalty at D-II, including 2 Titles, should make this discussion moot and his acceptance into the MVC obvious.  That it's not is a major failing of the application process and a reason why the D-I level is a ghost town.

So the point is that the qualification for a DI school should be whether or not you are better than SimAI? 

I also disagree with your premise that this instance demonstrates why low DI is generally empty.  Low DI generally emptied out with changes to recruit generation, especially the change that made the top 30-35 recruits to be much better than every other recruit.  This made it a lot more difficult to build a consistent winner that can conceivably win a game or two in the national tournament from a lower DI conference.  

Really, playing by the current set up, it is really easy to get to low DI.

sillyjordan, the requirement for moving up should not be if you are better than simai. If that's the case, you can argue for a d3 coach with 1 NT appearance moving to an ACC team that doesn't have a human owner. This is simply wrong.

As I said before, the logic for moving up to low D1 is fairly well known. All you need is spotless reputation; I moved from D3 knight to D- D1 team in 5 seasons in D3. I would hardly call this too difficult. 

When you know the logic of the engine, and still do something to hurt your chance of moving up, you can't really blame the engine for it. 

I know this was stated earlier, but the bottom line is that everyone knows that the more recent seasons are weighed heavier than seasons farther back.  Brip's last two seasons were a losing record in D2 and a voluntary demotion and losing record in D3.  The demotion probably hurt his loyalty and the back-to-back losing seasons pretty much killed any chance he had of moving to D1.  Frankly, I would have been shocked if he HAD been eligible to take over a D1 team at that point. 

As to the point of him being a better choice than a Sim coach for a low level/mid major team, I think Tianyi answered that question pretty well in the above post.  There have been some pretty bad examples of the job process not working correctly, but taking all factors into consideration, I don't see that this is one of them.

I have obviously not suggested that the only metric one should use to determine whether a coach can move up is how they measure up to a Sim.

I am saying, however, that brips body of work--including 2 national titles of recent vintage along with about a thousand conference championships and his historical loyalty to a program --should qualify him for a mid-major job at the D-I level coaching a team of turd-burglars, no questions asked.  That it does not is a flaw that defies logic from every angle, including WIS's own money-makin' interest.   Its self-defeating and pointless to weigh so heavily a choice made in the last couple months over the last 4 calendar years of activity.  

It's going to cost them money and prestige for the conference to which I currently belong.

Finally, 'acn', you disagree with my conclusion and not my premise on the black hole that is Division I.  But I never said that the selectivity with which hires are made is THE reason for the SIMfest, only that it is A reason.  I've only been at the D-I level for a couple recruiting cycles so I can't vouch for or against the problems you cite, but I'll take your word for it.  I don't see the two issues as being disconnected, though.  As long as mid-major conferences remain void of human coaches, the opportunities they have to challenge the BCS conferences in either recruiting or during the season will suffer.  Putting up roadblocks that inhibit mid-majors from competing makes even LESS sense given your argument and seems to suggest that a rethink on hiring practice makes more sense than your vigorous defense of the currently existing system.

Wait, I've got to rewind this a bit - did someone call brian "one of the best coaches in the entire game's history"?

Posted by cornfused on 3/29/2012 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Wait, I've got to rewind this a bit - did someone call brian "one of the best coaches in the entire game's history"?

What percentage of Hoops Dynasty coaches who fork over their 12 bucks every 2 months for the privilege to play this internet game win multiple national titles?

Posted by acn24 on 3/29/2012 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 3/29/2012 8:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/28/2012 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wsredden on 3/28/2012 6:11:00 PM (view original):
These are the cases-in-point for why D-I is an abandoned ghost town in many conferences and in many worlds.  Serious coaches who either make deep tourney runs after several successful seasons in D-II aren't considered longshots for D+ prestige jobs, and even one of the best coaches in the entire game's history can't get consideration.

It's absurd:  it diminishes the talent pool of capable coaches in D-I, it inhibits mid-major conferences from competing with the BCS ones, and it's costly to the businessmen on bottom-line principles whenever people (like Brian) decide to cash in their chips and wave goodbye to WIS.

The idea that Brian couldn't get a job with his track record over Simmy's 4-23 (1-15) squad is stupid beyond comprehension.

He should have never dropped down to D3 and hurt his rep. He could have jumped into D1 power conf (MWC, A-10, maybe a weak BCS conf) is he just stayed at D2. 

+1

Also, remember the most recent seasons count the most, and his last two seasons are WEAK.

Thanks for stating the obvious, which has already been stated a dozen times.  

 However, it's not the point.  The point is that brip's track record is better than a 'D' prestige SIM coming off a 4-win season at a mid-major conference.  .  His 16 seasons of loyalty at D-II, including 2 Titles, should make this discussion moot and his acceptance into the MVC obvious.  That it's not is a major failing of the application process and a reason why the D-I level is a ghost town.

So the point is that the qualification for a DI school should be whether or not you are better than SimAI? 

I also disagree with your premise that this instance demonstrates why low DI is generally empty.  Low DI generally emptied out with changes to recruit generation, especially the change that made the top 30-35 recruits to be much better than every other recruit.  This made it a lot more difficult to build a consistent winner that can conceivably win a game or two in the national tournament from a lower DI conference.  

Really, playing by the current set up, it is really easy to get to low DI.

I couldn't get to low D1 and I am in D1
I had better prestige, a winning season, and A+/A+

Posted by maz621 on 3/29/2012 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 3/29/2012 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 3/29/2012 8:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/28/2012 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wsredden on 3/28/2012 6:11:00 PM (view original):
These are the cases-in-point for why D-I is an abandoned ghost town in many conferences and in many worlds.  Serious coaches who either make deep tourney runs after several successful seasons in D-II aren't considered longshots for D+ prestige jobs, and even one of the best coaches in the entire game's history can't get consideration.

It's absurd:  it diminishes the talent pool of capable coaches in D-I, it inhibits mid-major conferences from competing with the BCS ones, and it's costly to the businessmen on bottom-line principles whenever people (like Brian) decide to cash in their chips and wave goodbye to WIS.

The idea that Brian couldn't get a job with his track record over Simmy's 4-23 (1-15) squad is stupid beyond comprehension.

He should have never dropped down to D3 and hurt his rep. He could have jumped into D1 power conf (MWC, A-10, maybe a weak BCS conf) is he just stayed at D2. 

+1

Also, remember the most recent seasons count the most, and his last two seasons are WEAK.

Thanks for stating the obvious, which has already been stated a dozen times.  

 However, it's not the point.  The point is that brip's track record is better than a 'D' prestige SIM coming off a 4-win season at a mid-major conference.  .  His 16 seasons of loyalty at D-II, including 2 Titles, should make this discussion moot and his acceptance into the MVC obvious.  That it's not is a major failing of the application process and a reason why the D-I level is a ghost town.

So the point is that the qualification for a DI school should be whether or not you are better than SimAI? 

I also disagree with your premise that this instance demonstrates why low DI is generally empty.  Low DI generally emptied out with changes to recruit generation, especially the change that made the top 30-35 recruits to be much better than every other recruit.  This made it a lot more difficult to build a consistent winner that can conceivably win a game or two in the national tournament from a lower DI conference.  

Really, playing by the current set up, it is really easy to get to low DI.

I couldn't get to low D1 and I am in D1
I had better prestige, a winning season, and A+/A+

That sounds like a much better case study for something that might be wrong with the hiring system.  The original example seemed pretty cut and dry.

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cornfused on 3/29/2012 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Wait, I've got to rewind this a bit - did someone call brian "one of the best coaches in the entire game's history"?

What percentage of Hoops Dynasty coaches who fork over their 12 bucks every 2 months for the privilege to play this internet game win multiple national titles?

More than you'd imagine.  I've won 11 across 3 IDs and I can probably come up with 15+ coaches off the top of my head I would classify as much better than me.

Congratulations, acn.  I'm sure your family is very proud of your success.  But that wasn't the question I posed.  

 It may seem cut and dried to someone that has dropped enough money on WIS products to purchase a small nation, I suppose, but not to someone approaching the situation with a wider lens.

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Congratulations, acn.  I'm sure your family is very proud of your success.  But that wasn't the question I posed.  

 It may seem cut and dried to someone that has dropped enough money on WIS products to purchase a small nation, I suppose, but not to someone approaching the situation with a wider lens.

Or he has been playing for free all this time via reward points from all his championships...

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/29/2012 3:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Congratulations, acn.  I'm sure your family is very proud of your success.  But that wasn't the question I posed.  

 It may seem cut and dried to someone that has dropped enough money on WIS products to purchase a small nation, I suppose, but not to someone approaching the situation with a wider lens.

Or he has been playing for free all this time via reward points from all his championships...

And...?

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 3:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/29/2012 3:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sillyjordan on 3/29/2012 2:53:00 PM (view original):
Congratulations, acn.  I'm sure your family is very proud of your success.  But that wasn't the question I posed.  

 It may seem cut and dried to someone that has dropped enough money on WIS products to purchase a small nation, I suppose, but not to someone approaching the situation with a wider lens.

Or he has been playing for free all this time via reward points from all his championships...

And...?

And your insult on acn is really stupid?!?

It wasn't an insult.  I'm making the quite obvious point that someone with 278 teams and 4350 seasons of WIS (or 3497 posts to the message board) under their belt has perhaps lost some perspective on this game.

Moreover, and more importantly, I didn't ask 'acn' to tell me what I "imagined" concerning 'cornfused's' post.  Yet he offered it in lieu of answering the questions I posed:  How many people have played HD?  And what percentage have won multiple titles?