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1 out of 34 free throw shooting!  WIS wasn't kidding about the "F" free throw rating...how does this guard have a 47 Perimeter rating at div 3 and throw free throws worse than my dead grandma?
4/6/2012 2:40 AM
caesari
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I've seen llamas hit a better percentage than him.
4/6/2012 8:38 AM
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowenbr01.html
 
Look at Bruce BOwen, specifically, 2002/2003.
4/6/2012 9:03 AM
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i was the victim of an 'F' free throw shooter hitting 4/4 against me. he's a career .595 shooter and is shooting .617 from the line through 11 games this season. i'm not sure what percentages an 'F' shooter should be, but imo, ft is the ONLY rating that should produce linear, consistent results. specifically, we can say that any offensive stat, 3 pt shooting for ex, is the combination of ath / spd / iq / sta (ie, is the player fatigued) / HCA / per / bh (in no particular order), combined with the def gp, match ups and settings you're playing against. FT is literally the only HD rating that we know is only dependent on 3 - and only 3 - factors: FT / HCA / Sta. when a C+ FT shooter is shooting 85% from the ft line, something is amiss (see example below). i would even venture to say that when a B+ shooter is shooting comparable to an A+ shooter, there's a problem. see examples below:

Robert Taylor  - C+ FT Shooter
C | Senior | 6'8" | 226 lbs. | 3.1 gpa
Okemah HS Okemah, OK | Recruited By: wareagletom
C
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Statistics
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 28 28 17.8 .460 .000 .855 1.9 5.2 0.5 1.5 0.9 0.6 1.5 7.1
46 27 27 16.9 .529 .000 .738 1.1 4.1 0.4 1.0 0.3 0.5 1.8 6.4
Averages       .492 .000 .804 1.5 4.7 0.4 1.2 0.6 0.6 1.7 6.8





Kenneth Brown - B+ FT shooter
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Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 28 28 23.8 .451 .411 .885 0.4 1.1 2.1 1.9 0.8 0.0 2.5 13.4
46 27 0 6.1 .531 .409 .681 0.2 0.4 0.7 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.5 3.4
45 19 0 5.8 .286 .167 .778 0.1 0.3 0.6 0.3 0.2 0.0 0.7 1.6
44 Redshirt
Averages       .445 .381 .822 0.2 0.7 1.2 1.0 0.4 0.0 1.3 6.7
 



Jeremy McElroy - A+ FT Shooter800
Statistics
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 33 33 21.5 .536 .460 .890 1.8 5.5 0.9 1.0 1.0 0.6 2.1 17.1
46 31 31 19.1 .535 .263 .826 1.5 3.6 0.6 1.7 0.7 0.4 1.8 12.8
45 30 23 19.5 .470 .000 .803 1.8 4.7 1.0 1.6 0.8 0.6 1.7 11.1
44 31 15 16.2 .480 .000 .792 1.1 2.8 0.6 1.4 0.6 0.2 1.7 4.4
43 Redshirt
Averages       .513 .391 .837 1.6 4.2 0.8 1.4 0.8 0.4 1.8 11.4
 
4/6/2012 12:53 PM
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I'm assuming this is essentially a coinflip because the worst FT% for recruits is just above 50%.

So there there was a 1 in 524,288 that he'd miss his first 19 free throws.

Then he hits the 20th which was a 1 in 2 proposition.

And now the streak of 14 consecutive misses had a 1 in 16,384 chance.

So for the first 34 free throw attempts to play out this way is 1 in 17,179,869,184.  Right?  Of course, he could have hit the single free throw at other points so this isn't the odds of going 1 for 34 but the odds of this sequence happening.  (Assuming that my long forgotten high school math is still correct.)

4/6/2012 1:10 PM
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Posted by jtt8355 on 4/6/2012 12:54:00 PM (view original):
i was the victim of an 'F' free throw shooter hitting 4/4 against me. he's a career .595 shooter and is shooting .617 from the line through 11 games this season. i'm not sure what percentages an 'F' shooter should be, but imo, ft is the ONLY rating that should produce linear, consistent results. specifically, we can say that any offensive stat, 3 pt shooting for ex, is the combination of ath / spd / iq / sta (ie, is the player fatigued) / HCA / per / bh (in no particular order), combined with the def gp, match ups and settings you're playing against. FT is literally the only HD rating that we know is only dependent on 3 - and only 3 - factors: FT / HCA / Sta. when a C+ FT shooter is shooting 85% from the ft line, something is amiss (see example below). i would even venture to say that when a B+ shooter is shooting comparable to an A+ shooter, there's a problem. see examples below:

Robert Taylor  - C+ FT Shooter
C | Senior | 6'8" | 226 lbs. | 3.1 gpa
Okemah HS Okemah, OK | Recruited By: wareagletom
C
657
Statistics
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 28 28 17.8 .460 .000 .855 1.9 5.2 0.5 1.5 0.9 0.6 1.5 7.1
46 27 27 16.9 .529 .000 .738 1.1 4.1 0.4 1.0 0.3 0.5 1.8 6.4
Averages       .492 .000 .804 1.5 4.7 0.4 1.2 0.6 0.6 1.7 6.8





Kenneth Brown - B+ FT shooter
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Statistics
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 28 28 23.8 .451 .411 .885 0.4 1.1 2.1 1.9 0.8 0.0 2.5 13.4
46 27 0 6.1 .531 .409 .681 0.2 0.4 0.7 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.5 3.4
45 19 0 5.8 .286 .167 .778 0.1 0.3 0.6 0.3 0.2 0.0 0.7 1.6
44 Redshirt
Averages       .445 .381 .822 0.2 0.7 1.2 1.0 0.4 0.0 1.3 6.7
 



Jeremy McElroy - A+ FT Shooter800
Statistics
Yr. GP GS MIN FG% FG3% FT% OREB REB AST TO STL BLK PF PTS
47 33 33 21.5 .536 .460 .890 1.8 5.5 0.9 1.0 1.0 0.6 2.1 17.1
46 31 31 19.1 .535 .263 .826 1.5 3.6 0.6 1.7 0.7 0.4 1.8 12.8
45 30 23 19.5 .470 .000 .803 1.8 4.7 1.0 1.6 0.8 0.6 1.7 11.1
44 31 15 16.2 .480 .000 .792 1.1 2.8 0.6 1.4 0.6 0.2 1.7 4.4
43 Redshirt
Averages       .513 .391 .837 1.6 4.2 0.8 1.4 0.8 0.4 1.8 11.4
 
I would imagine a player's fatigue level would have an effect, so it wouldn't be completely linear.
4/6/2012 1:36 PM
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Posted by caesari on 4/6/2012 8:38:00 AM (view original):
I've seen llamas hit a better percentage than him.
I would pay good money to see this.
4/6/2012 1:42 PM
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Many seasons ago, there was a TEAM in my conference that hit 27% for the season. Shockingly, they made the Sweet 16

4/6/2012 2:04 PM
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jsa - STA is one of the 3 factors...in the per explanation, i clarified that by including sta i meant "(ie, is the player fatigued)". if anything, a player's STA / fatigue will only make a player's ft shooting worse as the game goes on, since they are starting out @ 100% of their FT rating (factoring in HCA) @ the beginning of the game, and as the game progresses and the fatigue hits in, they should be getting progressively worse. unless the player is playing extremely different minutes and tempos each game, the fatigue should remain a constant over the course of a season. using hs grades (i hope they're still the same from when i was in school!) to correlate to HD, a C+ player should be shooting 77-79%, if he is never affected by HCA and is never fatigued. if the team is playing on the road against high HCA teams; and he plays significant minutes so that fatigue becomes a factor, those numbers should decline. yes, i said it, FT rating should create a ceiling (with possibly a 3.33% margin of error, which is 1/2 a letter grade; and subject to any minor 'bumps' for the player's home games, if the team enjoys a good HCA) of potential stats. 
4/6/2012 2:29 PM
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Have you been practicing FTs for that F shooter?  I'm guessing he could drop well below a 50% shooter if he's getting 0 minutes.  1/34 is still insanely unlikely though.
4/6/2012 4:31 PM
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Posted by killbatman on 4/6/2012 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Have you been practicing FTs for that F shooter?  I'm guessing he could drop well below a 50% shooter if he's getting 0 minutes.  1/34 is still insanely unlikely though.
The player is coached by a SIM AI, I'm pretty an experienced human coach wouldn't even think about recruiting that type of player.
4/6/2012 5:12 PM
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Jtt, I don't understand why you say FT shooting should be linear. It's not even close to linear in real life.
4/6/2012 8:30 PM
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Posted by meeper123 on 4/6/2012 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by killbatman on 4/6/2012 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Have you been practicing FTs for that F shooter?  I'm guessing he could drop well below a 50% shooter if he's getting 0 minutes.  1/34 is still insanely unlikely though.
The player is coached by a SIM AI, I'm pretty an experienced human coach wouldn't even think about recruiting that type of player.
Honestly, FT shooting isn't even a factor when I'm recruiting. It miy be a tiebreaker, but it'll never be the specific reason I do or don't recruit a player.
4/6/2012 8:31 PM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 4/6/2012 8:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by meeper123 on 4/6/2012 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by killbatman on 4/6/2012 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Have you been practicing FTs for that F shooter?  I'm guessing he could drop well below a 50% shooter if he's getting 0 minutes.  1/34 is still insanely unlikely though.
The player is coached by a SIM AI, I'm pretty an experienced human coach wouldn't even think about recruiting that type of player.
Honestly, FT shooting isn't even a factor when I'm recruiting. It miy be a tiebreaker, but it'll never be the specific reason I do or don't recruit a player.
But look at his ATH/DEF
4/6/2012 8:49 PM
kmasonbx
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Didn't look at the player, kind've just assumed you were refering to the FT shooting as the reason you wouldn't recruit him, but now I see that you meant overall you wouldn't recruit him.
4/6/2012 11:10 PM
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