Posted by tdiddy3 on 4/8/2012 12:09:00 AM (view original):
I never said LIU has signed a top 100 player, but there have been schools at the same prestige level that has signed someone.  Loyola Marymount signed Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers both who were highly touted HS players is an example that I can think of off the top of my head.  

They actually both signed at USC to begin with I believe...

florida atlantic has jarvis who coached at st johns and george washington in the past, he is a respected recruiter.  akron is a respectable mac program, they have the high school coach of lebron james.

Posted by tdiddy3 on 4/8/2012 12:09:00 AM (view original):
I never said LIU has signed a top 100 player, but there have been schools at the same prestige level that has signed someone.  Loyola Marymount signed Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers both who were highly touted HS players is an example that I can think of off the top of my head.  

(A) That was over 20 years ago.
(B) It's not true. Gathers and Kimble went to USC, coach got fired after one season, they transferred to LMU.
(C) Your LIU squad is not on par/comparable w. late 80's Loyola Marymount.

There are very rare instances where a top 100 player picked an obscure school without any history of winning basketball. Adonal Foyle comes to mind, but of course that was also ~ 20 years ago, and his parents were profs at Colgate. More recently, I think that Harvard has signed 1-2 fringe top 100 guys, but again, Harvard right now is clearly steps ahead of LIU, so it's still not analagous.

Beyond the factual stuff, I really disagree re: the battles/boring part -- you may just be shooting too low. I see plenty of battles for teams in your prestige range, and often for good players.

Posted by tdiddy3 on 4/8/2012 12:26:00 AM (view original):
2012 Harvard signed #72 overall Zena Edosomwan
2011 College of Charleston signed #41 overall Adjehi Abdu
2010 Detroit signed #22 overall Ray McCallum, Central Michigan signed #48 overall Trey Zeigler, Florida Int'l signed #58 overall Dominique Ferguson
2009 Akron signed #35 overall Zeke Marshall
2008 Southern Illinois signed #71 overall Anthony Booker, Florida Atlantic signed #78 overall Freddie Riley

Yep, there's the Harvard guy. Basically all of these guys had major extenuating circumstances that you can't match.

-Abdu (had to look this one up) recently came over from Ivory coast, lived with a family, Cremins got Abdu to commit by offering a schollie to the kid in the family who had become Abdu's best friend and surrogate brother.
-McCollum and Ziegler signed to play with their dads.
-Ferguson at FIU had Isiah Thomas.

TD, the one thing I think you can make an argument for is one that a lot of us have been pushing for years (almost since you were riding dinosaurs): A coach's track record/prestige should have more effect on the process.

In real life, you see these guys signing at schools because Jarvis/Cremins/Isiah are the coaches. The coach is enormous for this type of stuff in real life, and more of a non-factor in HD. That kind of thing could give a fella like you an extra bump.

Posted by girt25 on 4/9/2012 7:44:00 AM (view original):
TD, the one thing I think you can make an argument for is one that a lot of us have been pushing for years (almost since you were riding dinosaurs): A coach's track record/prestige should have more effect on the process.

In real life, you see these guys signing at schools because Jarvis/Cremins/Isiah are the coaches. The coach is enormous for this type of stuff in real life, and more of a non-factor in HD. That kind of thing could give a fella like you an extra bump.

girt / td - one thing the quality of the coach's rep may not have the effect you want, but the ability to know how (and who if you count potential) to recruit does allow coach's to get top players and compete at the highest levels.  Girt you did it at Montana, you have an entire conf doing in right now in CUSA, and I once snagged the #1 overall guy in the country away from the defending national champs (and the entire big ten) for a horizon league school.  The are literally THOUSANDS of top 100 style recruits that get recruited by mid and low major schools in this game, and a fair number of top 50 or 25's. 

Posted by bvb24 on 4/7/2012 11:55:00 PM (view original):
When was the last time Long Island signed a top 100 player? You say it happens occasionally, but I can't think of any.

Not sure if anyone has already said it, but CMU and U of D Mercy both landed top 50 talent in Zeigler and McCallum, respectively.  I don't think either of those schools are any better than Long Island.

Edit:  Just saw that td handled this and then some.

Posted by tdiddy3 on 4/8/2012 2:03:00 PM (view original):
what I was getting at is that it should be virtually impossible for a school to out recruit the top tier schools, but that a recruit shouldn't necessarily shoot you down when you attempt to go after him.

Sometimes there is "No Chance" ... but most of the time, you will be a backup option.  I currently have 4 C- to C+ teams and I recruit top 50 (and some top 25) recruits all the time.

Here is the ESPN top-100 list:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports//basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012

There are a couple of Houston signees, a BU signee, Wichita State (although I would put their prestige higher than C right now) and that's probably about it for the non-majors or high majors.

Posted by simpleton on 4/9/2012 9:16:00 AM (view original):
Here is the ESPN top-100 list:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports//basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012

There are a couple of Houston signees, a BU signee, Wichita State (although I would put their prestige higher than C right now) and that's probably about it for the non-majors or high majors.

Providence landed two top 25 guys.

I think the point he was trying to make is that for Wis purposes, he should be able to recruit that guy if no one else does. In real life, someone's going to take him. In Wis, he may disappear, which only frustrates the low level guys. That guy is the diamond in the rough that lower schools want. I think th OP was saying the guy should drop at some point, not just be unrecruitable.

Posted by sublightd on 4/10/2012 3:33:00 AM (view original):
I think the point he was trying to make is that for Wis purposes, he should be able to recruit that guy if no one else does. In real life, someone's going to take him. In Wis, he may disappear, which only frustrates the low level guys. That guy is the diamond in the rough that lower schools want. I think th OP was saying the guy should drop at some point, not just be unrecruitable.

Hmmm ... I didn't get that from his original post at all. I could be wrong though.

Because I mean, really, the 4/5 star guys he's talking about are simply not going to go unrecruited like that ...

Posted by oldresorter on 4/9/2012 7:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 4/9/2012 7:44:00 AM (view original):
TD, the one thing I think you can make an argument for is one that a lot of us have been pushing for years (almost since you were riding dinosaurs): A coach's track record/prestige should have more effect on the process.

In real life, you see these guys signing at schools because Jarvis/Cremins/Isiah are the coaches. The coach is enormous for this type of stuff in real life, and more of a non-factor in HD. That kind of thing could give a fella like you an extra bump.

girt / td - one thing the quality of the coach's rep may not have the effect you want, but the ability to know how (and who if you count potential) to recruit does allow coach's to get top players and compete at the highest levels.  Girt you did it at Montana, you have an entire conf doing in right now in CUSA, and I once snagged the #1 overall guy in the country away from the defending national champs (and the entire big ten) for a horizon league school.  The are literally THOUSANDS of top 100 style recruits that get recruited by mid and low major schools in this game, and a fair number of top 50 or 25's. 

This is true, OR. I'm not in agreement w. TD's initial assessment of things.

Sorry, but just to go back to LIU for a hot minute.  Top recruit Richie Parker played there in the late 90's (though there were extenuating circumstances in that situation as well).  Charles Jones also played there at the same time as Parker, and was also a relatively big time player on the NYC AAU circuits before ending up at LIU. 

So yeah, even in the real world, LIU can get a guy or two who can play. 

Posted by thecommie on 4/8/2012 10:28:00 PM (view original):
florida atlantic has jarvis who coached at st johns and george washington in the past, he is a respected recruiter.  akron is a respectable mac program, they have the high school coach of lebron james.

You literally have zero idea what you're talking about if you think Jarvis is a "respected recruiter."  The guy was laughed out of New York for his recruiting foibles.  I honestly can't think of coach who did a worse job at a BCS school in the recent past, Quin Snyder, Steve Alford, and Norm Roberts included.