Posted by tianyi7886 on 5/11/2012 1:14:00 PM (view original):
The floor idea is terrible. The value of the floor trumps baseline prestige, making BCS conf even stronger. Let's just look at Phelan D1 as an example:

ACC is at A+ conf prestige, under the prestige floor system, lowest an ACC team can be is A-. They currently have 2 teams at B prestige, which means the prestige floor boosts the ACC even more.

Big 10 is at A- conf prestige, lowest possible in prestige floor is B. They currently have a C+ team that would get bumped to B.

Pac 10 is at B+, so B- minimum. They currently have 3 teams in the C/C+ range that automatically gets a boost to B-.

Meanwhile, midmajors generally have much lower conf prestige, making the prestige floor effectively useless for them. A team in a conf prestige of C really has no use for a D+ floor. 

Posted by milkamania on 5/11/2012 12:34:00 PM (view original):
The idea of removing baseline prestige in D1 is something of a mystery to me.  If you want a world where there is no baseline, where anyone can take any program and make them a national contender, where recruit generation is fair across the board to all schools, where no school can go 5 or more straight seasons without making the NT and still be an A prestige, I have news for you.  It already exists, it's called D2 and D3 in EVERY WORLD!.

D1 needs to be differentiated, and so I have no problem with baseline prestige in theory.  That doesn't mean the formula might not need some tweaking, but I'll leave it to more veteran and successful coaches who understand the game better than I do to figure out how.   We talk about mid majors in real life and how that cannot be repeated in WIS.  Well, who was the last mid major to win a NT in real life, UNLV 20+ years ago??  Heck, in Iba, 2 of the last 5 NT winners are from the A10.  In Rupp, there is 1 ranked ACC team and 3 ranked Conerence USA teams.   If the mid majors were more filled, the problem would in some ways correct itself.

Yes mid majors should be able to have more success than they do now, and that I think can mostly be fixed by adjusting recruiting.  One fix that would help is to make recruits with stars require a minimum recruiting effort.  I saw 1 school last year with 5 open schollies sign 5 recruits, all 4 and 5 stars, with no battles.  No one wanted to challenge their prestige, so they probably got each one for less than 2 grand and carried over 15-20 K or more.  If a starred recruit needed say, a minimum of 2K per star to consider someone, the big boys would still get the cream of the crop, but there would be more battles and more good recruits would slide down the line to lesser Big 6 schools or good mid major schools.   can you imagine Carmelo or Derrick Rose signing for a phone call and 1 visit?   Just a thought.

Posted by mizzou77 on 5/11/2012 3:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't ever want to be a John Thopson and I will whip your A## if you ever call me one

Posted by mykids_31206 on 5/11/2012 1:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by milkamania on 5/11/2012 12:34:00 PM (view original):
The idea of removing baseline prestige in D1 is something of a mystery to me.  If you want a world where there is no baseline, where anyone can take any program and make them a national contender, where recruit generation is fair across the board to all schools, where no school can go 5 or more straight seasons without making the NT and still be an A prestige, I have news for you.  It already exists, it's called D2 and D3 in EVERY WORLD!.

D1 needs to be differentiated, and so I have no problem with baseline prestige in theory.  That doesn't mean the formula might not need some tweaking, but I'll leave it to more veteran and successful coaches who understand the game better than I do to figure out how.   We talk about mid majors in real life and how that cannot be repeated in WIS.  Well, who was the last mid major to win a NT in real life, UNLV 20+ years ago??  Heck, in Iba, 2 of the last 5 NT winners are from the A10.  In Rupp, there is 1 ranked ACC team and 3 ranked Conerence USA teams.   If the mid majors were more filled, the problem would in some ways correct itself.

Yes mid majors should be able to have more success than they do now, and that I think can mostly be fixed by adjusting recruiting.  One fix that would help is to make recruits with stars require a minimum recruiting effort.  I saw 1 school last year with 5 open schollies sign 5 recruits, all 4 and 5 stars, with no battles.  No one wanted to challenge their prestige, so they probably got each one for less than 2 grand and carried over 15-20 K or more.  If a starred recruit needed say, a minimum of 2K per star to consider someone, the big boys would still get the cream of the crop, but there would be more battles and more good recruits would slide down the line to lesser Big 6 schools or good mid major schools.   can you imagine Carmelo or Derrick Rose signing for a phone call and 1 visit?   Just a thought.

In HD the mid-majors that become very good teams dont have a Big East to join. So let them develop their Conference into a great one. Yeah, developing a St. Thomas Aquainus into a DII champion is cool. But developing a Mercer into a DI powerhouse would be amazing. DI is the pinnacle. Everyone wants to be a John Thompson.

When was the last time a new world was created?  Seems like a while and would think that although it might anger some, it would be nice to incorporate lessons learned (ie, the professor's suggestions or those w/ tweaks) into a new "beta" world.  I would definetely be willing to pay money to see how that worked out and don't think it would be that bad of a thing if lesser known schools had more of a chance.  I recently read that thread on why people choose their teams and imagine that the demand for HD would grow if I could turn my alma mater into a powerhouse, no matter where I went to school?

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/12/2012 2:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

Posted by tbird9423 on 5/11/2012 10:54:00 PM (view original):

When was the last time a new world was created?  Seems like a while and would think that although it might anger some, it would be nice to incorporate lessons learned (ie, the professor's suggestions or those w/ tweaks) into a new "beta" world.  I would definetely be willing to pay money to see how that worked out and don't think it would be that bad of a thing if lesser known schools had more of a chance.  I recently read that thread on why people choose their teams and imagine that the demand for HD would grow if I could turn my alma mater into a powerhouse, no matter where I went to school?

Posted by dcy0827 on 5/12/2012 3:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/12/2012 2:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

That is an idea I really like.  Long overdue too.

+1

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/12/2012 2:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/12/2012 2:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

Posted by mykids_31206 on 5/12/2012 8:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/12/2012 2:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by professor17 on 5/11/2012 10:20:00 PM (view original):
If you were starting from scratch it'd be a no-brainer. The question is how does WIS go about a realignment to better reflect real life without disrupting worlds that have been in progress for 40+ seasons? If you start moving teams with human coaches around, people are bound to get upset. Either because they don't like where their own team gets moved to, or because someone who's coaching at Utah or TCU who hasn't yet earned a BCS job suddenly gets gifted into one. I guess they'd have to weigh the cost/benefit of hopefully attracting more customers with more current conference alignments vs. potential loss of existing customers by messing with their current worlds.

Fine, suggestion withdrawn.   Here's an easy but necessary step.  Follow real life and guarantee the regular season champion (any tie-breaker would do to determine the champ) of all leagues a spot in the PIT in case they fail to win their CT and make it into the big dance.  If real life can do it, so can WIS.

I like following the real life setup in the NCAA where a low DI can win its Conference and got to the NT. I like how mid-majors work their way to Big 6 in real life. Those are the fun parts of NCAA basketball to me. Its difficult to do one and you would take away the other.

Just remove baseline prestige and you will have a world that will mimic the ability of schools to reach Big 6 status just like NCAA. You cant copy the changes in the Conferences based on because schools would underdeservingly move to Big 6. But if you remove baseline prestige. Any Conferences that move to Big 6 could not do it unless they earned it.