Interesting...thanks for the insight guys. My post about 300 miles was the difference in FSU from SLU. I know I was over the magical 360 mile line but its not like I was going cross country.

Either way, I've learned a little more, so thanks again.

sully, i guess my opinion is pretty much the opposite of yours (or at least compared to your assumptions prior to this battle)

what i mean is that you seemed to think that prestige was more important and maybe you thought you would easily win a battle like the one in question here.

I have allways felt that prestige was just a little bump that could help put you over the top in a close battle. My memory may be faulty, but i have been in a lot of battles where i had a letter grade advantage and i just cant believe that it gave me a 2:1 advantage. If that is the consensus (and it does appear that folks agree with sull on this point?) then i need to test this thing again next season and see if it is working that way for me.

the other area where we seem to differ (though maybe i am misunderstanding parts of your stuff) is that it seems like you view prestige as a fairly specific, concrete advantage (2:1 for a letter grade) while it seems that you are less certain of what advantage is gained by distance.

I feel like (and i think others would agree with me on this one) distance advantage is very specific and concrete and easily quantifiable. while prestige is much tougher to gauge and very few folks have claimed to know with any precision what effects it has on a battle.

as for whether the current model gives too little value for presitge, or too much.....

well, i think this is one of those areas where it may not be in HD's interest to try to closely mimic real life. In real life, Prestige is probably a much bigger factor than it is here. and as much as i would personally like to see pretige worth more, i dont think that would ultimately be good for the game as it would create a "rich get richer" scenario.

i *would* like to see more national recruiting, but i dont think increasing the importance of prestige is the way to do it.

OD - My basis for 2-1 advantage was very rough estimate. It came from a battle I had a few seasons ago. I was a B+ school going against an A+ school. The distance was the same, just under 200 miles for both schools. After a close battle that I won, I was talking to the other coach (zhawks) and found out that he spent about half of what I had spent and I had made promises where he had not. I think A+ to B+ is probably a bigger spread than say B+ to C+. I dont want a "rich get richer" scenario either but I just though prestige would play a slighlty larger role. I have found out that I was incorrect!

interesting stuff. good thread, sull.

it also brings up a semi-related topic that i will start in another thread

Here's a question/theory...

I think if Sully had been in on the player before his opponent, it would have been very difficult for the other school to even get his ear. That's where I think the edge of prestige is...

If they both started sending effort at the same time, there might be an edge, but more than the psychological edge (who wants to jump in late on an A+ team?), i think there's a chance that prestige bump counts more when you get in first (sorta the opposite of a dropdown).

I think we both jumped on the guy from pretty much the first cycle. I think SLU got on the guy the first cycle and I was maybe the 3rd or 4th. Something like that.

Well, then you have to add on that he got a few rounds of considering credit on you as well, right?

Is there really a "considering credit" for one or two cycles? Recruiting started at 6pm and he was on the list at 8pm. I think I was on his list by 8am the next morning. I dont remember exactly. But, I didnt think he would get credit for that. Maybe I am wrong?

Not sure myself. Just wondering. When DOES the credit start? Anyone?

considering credit doesn't start until the "second day" of recruiting, which i don't believe has ever been defined any more closely than that (ie- is it the first 8am cycle, or 24 hours after recruiting starts, or the second 2am cycle???)

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 2/22/2010sully, i guess my opinion is pretty much the opposite of yours (or at least compared to your assumptions prior to this battle)what i mean is that you seemed to think that prestige was more important and maybe you thought you would easily win a battle like the one in question here.I have allways felt that prestige was just a little bump that could help put you over the top in a close battle. My memory may be faulty, but i have been in a lot of battles where i had a letter grade advantage and i just cant believe that it gave me a 2:1 advantage. If that is the consensus (and it does appear that folks agree with sull on this point?) then i need to test this thing again next season and see if it is working that way for me. the other area where we seem to differ (though maybe i am misunderstanding parts of your stuff) is that it seems like you view prestige as a fairly specific, concrete advantage (2:1 for a letter grade) while it seems that you are less certain of what advantage is gained by distance.I feel like (and i think others would agree with me on this one) distance advantage is very specific and concrete and easily quantifiable. while prestige is much tougher to gauge and very few folks have claimed to know with any precision what effects it has on a battle.

i would not say that is the consensus. i don't think there is a consensus. i'm not going to say for sure 2:1 is wrong, but i would bet good money on it.

When does prestige REALLY matter?  Meaning, I can see the value in an A- to A+ prestige but is a B over a C really that big of a deal?

Posted by chrisjanning on 5/30/2012 11:39:00 AM (view original):
When does prestige REALLY matter?  Meaning, I can see the value in an A- to A+ prestige but is a B over a C really that big of a deal?

B over C is the same as A over B. 

Posted by chrisjanning on 5/30/2012 11:39:00 AM (view original):
When does prestige REALLY matter?  Meaning, I can see the value in an A- to A+ prestige but is a B over a C really that big of a deal?

In D1, a full letter grade advantage is a pretty big deal.  In D2/D3, prestige isn't nearly as much of a factor.