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Posted by stinenavy on 5/31/2012 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Sounds like there was a fair amount of thought put into this change, which is great. Sounds like it should limit the current issues greatly.

Now it's time to admit that the 5 player rule was a terrible idea, apparently wasn't given any thought when implemented, and get rid of it.
Yes, scrap (or at least change) the 5-player rule ... and at a bare minimum, get rid of the terrible loophole that allows people to abuse the rule by signings senior transfers.

Seble -- you definitely need to post this (and any other) change in release notes.
5/31/2012 11:35 PM
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suffice it to say, this post is a great encouragement to coaches at the mid major level.  kudos on a thoughtful solution to a nagging problem.
6/1/2012 12:02 AM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 5/31/2012 9:52:00 PM (view original):
seble -- one more question. admin had changed early entries a few years back, to no longer take stats into account in any way. they may have still impacted draft ordering, but he told us they weren't a factor in deciding to leave, because coaches were taking their best players and benching them till the NT. 

are stats still a non-factor in the process? or have they become a factor? or can you not tell us?
Stats are not a factor. 
6/1/2012 12:20 AM
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Posted by girt25 on 5/31/2012 11:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by stinenavy on 5/31/2012 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Sounds like there was a fair amount of thought put into this change, which is great. Sounds like it should limit the current issues greatly.

Now it's time to admit that the 5 player rule was a terrible idea, apparently wasn't given any thought when implemented, and get rid of it.
Yes, scrap (or at least change) the 5-player rule ... and at a bare minimum, get rid of the terrible loophole that allows people to abuse the rule by signings senior transfers.

Seble -- you definitely need to post this (and any other) change in release notes.
I haven't decided whether there will be an change to the 5-max rule. 

Just to clarify, none of these changes will go into effect for a little while.  I'll release everything at once and make all the appropriate announcements.  The blog is just to keep everyone up to date on what's going on.
6/1/2012 12:22 AM
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Have to go along with that thing on the five man rule.  At the very least 'relax' it to six.  As it stands it just makes those "Super teams' scoop up all the available middling seniors to sit on their benches.
6/1/2012 12:36 AM
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At MINIMUM reduce it to 6.  Even 7 would be ok if it must stay.  I would prefer at limit of 2 EEs per team per season.  That would acheive the same result I think without the unintended side effects.

The changes all sound very positive.

6/1/2012 1:21 AM
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keep it at 5 is fine, but don't count senior transfers in the total and the problem is solved.
6/1/2012 6:04 AM
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Posted by dacj501 on 6/1/2012 6:04:00 AM (view original):
keep it at 5 is fine, but don't count senior transfers in the total and the problem is solved.
I like this idea. 
6/1/2012 8:14 AM
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I think the players contribution should be a factor.  If a guy averages 3 mins, but has the overall rating and the team has postseason success, he shouldnt leave for the NBA.. If anything he should want to transfer to play.  This is NOT real life and there is no NBA game.  So why should a fictitious player who doesnt contribute, but may contribute in the next season leave to NOT contribute in a non-existent NBA league?  We pay real money to then spend fake money to recruit players to PLAY for our teams.. I've had many backup 3.5 min a game player go EE.. I honestly would prefer to see the player play for another school then to simply leave for nowhere (NBA).
6/1/2012 8:35 AM
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And regarding the 5 player rule.. I am in favor of any rule that helps maintain a base roster.  Meaning if we are only allowed to get  money for 6 and cannot bring in more than 6 for a particular class, then why should we be penalized further by having players leave early?  So for example, 1 walkon, 5 seniors and then a jr leaves early (7 roster spots lost, but only money for 6)... Just seems like if they are going to kill the 5 player rule, then kill the 6 player class rule and money for 6 rule too!  That way the coach can rebuild his team..
6/1/2012 8:40 AM
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Posted by coach_ms on 6/1/2012 8:40:00 AM (view original):
And regarding the 5 player rule.. I am in favor of any rule that helps maintain a base roster.  Meaning if we are only allowed to get  money for 6 and cannot bring in more than 6 for a particular class, then why should we be penalized further by having players leave early?  So for example, 1 walkon, 5 seniors and then a jr leaves early (7 roster spots lost, but only money for 6)... Just seems like if they are going to kill the 5 player rule, then kill the 6 player class rule and money for 6 rule too!  That way the coach can rebuild his team..
Somewhere underground, porkpower is cackling maniacally.
6/1/2012 8:46 AM
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Posted by dacj501 on 6/1/2012 6:04:00 AM (view original):
keep it at 5 is fine, but don't count senior transfers in the total and the problem is solved.
+1
6/1/2012 9:38 AM
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Why not just limit EEs to 2 per team?
6/1/2012 9:42 AM
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Posted by coach_ms on 6/1/2012 8:35:00 AM (view original):
I think the players contribution should be a factor.  If a guy averages 3 mins, but has the overall rating and the team has postseason success, he shouldnt leave for the NBA.. If anything he should want to transfer to play.  This is NOT real life and there is no NBA game.  So why should a fictitious player who doesnt contribute, but may contribute in the next season leave to NOT contribute in a non-existent NBA league?  We pay real money to then spend fake money to recruit players to PLAY for our teams.. I've had many backup 3.5 min a game player go EE.. I honestly would prefer to see the player play for another school then to simply leave for nowhere (NBA).
+1. Right now if a team buries a really good player on their bench, and he gets drafted, there are two small benefits: a) they get a small prestige boost for the pick, and b) no one else can play him. If he transfers, it would disincentivize teams from recruiting five 5-star players, because who would want to waste all that money on someone who will only play 2 minutes, then play for the competition next season. Im slightly biased because i don't have a top tier team and stand to benefit from any trickle down, but i think enough other players will that the game will become slightly fairer and more realistic.
6/1/2012 9:58 AM
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Posted by seble on 6/1/2012 12:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by girt25 on 5/31/2012 11:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by stinenavy on 5/31/2012 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Sounds like there was a fair amount of thought put into this change, which is great. Sounds like it should limit the current issues greatly.

Now it's time to admit that the 5 player rule was a terrible idea, apparently wasn't given any thought when implemented, and get rid of it.
Yes, scrap (or at least change) the 5-player rule ... and at a bare minimum, get rid of the terrible loophole that allows people to abuse the rule by signings senior transfers.

Seble -- you definitely need to post this (and any other) change in release notes.
I haven't decided whether there will be an change to the 5-max rule. 

Just to clarify, none of these changes will go into effect for a little while.  I'll release everything at once and make all the appropriate announcements.  The blog is just to keep everyone up to date on what's going on.
a small change that could help reduce distortion is to apply the 5 max rule only to four year players - exclude transfers and jucos
6/1/2012 10:49 AM
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