For a D-II shooting guard, would you rather have one with 55 ath, 65 spd and 96 pe or one with 70 ath, 87 spd and 74 pe if everything else is equal?

personally I would take the 70-87-74.....more well rounded

One more piece of information that I missed in my original post. The 55-65-96 also has 80 bh versus 53 for the 70-87-74.

I would take the 70-87-74-53 for a SG

70-87-74-53...every single day (assuming equal defensive ratings), especially since I press.

The higher ball handling for the high-perimeter guy is almost a double edged sword in my book. If you set him to drive, you're wasting the 96 PE. If you have him +1 or +2 it's going to greatly reduce his drives to the bucket and the high BH rating will lose some of its appeal.

Posted by rednu on 6/13/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
70-87-74-53...every single day (assuming equal defensive ratings), especially since I press.

The higher ball handling for the high-perimeter guy is almost a double edged sword in my book. If you set him to drive, you're wasting the 96 PE. If you have him +1 or +2 it's going to greatly reduce his drives to the bucket and the high BH rating will lose some of its appeal.

Agreed, but the high BH allows him to create his own shot.  I've had a lot of success with high per/bh guys.

Posted by ike1024 on 6/13/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednu on 6/13/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
70-87-74-53...every single day (assuming equal defensive ratings), especially since I press.

The higher ball handling for the high-perimeter guy is almost a double edged sword in my book. If you set him to drive, you're wasting the 96 PE. If you have him +1 or +2 it's going to greatly reduce his drives to the bucket and the high BH rating will lose some of its appeal.

Agreed, but the high BH allows him to create his own shot.  I've had a lot of success with high per/bh guys.

me too, bh is very valuable in 3 point shooters. give me a guard with high per/spd/bh and ill happily let him shoot 3s all day long.

can the slow guy rebound at all? 20, 25 even? If so make him a 3 and put the other at the 2. Unless this is a recruiting question, in which case original question remains, but add do you need a 2 more than a 3? I like guys with 96 per and 80 bh. if he can play the 3 the spd and ath won't really be a big deal.

Posted by gillispie1 on 6/13/2012 2:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ike1024 on 6/13/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednu on 6/13/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
70-87-74-53...every single day (assuming equal defensive ratings), especially since I press.

The higher ball handling for the high-perimeter guy is almost a double edged sword in my book. If you set him to drive, you're wasting the 96 PE. If you have him +1 or +2 it's going to greatly reduce his drives to the bucket and the high BH rating will lose some of its appeal.

Agreed, but the high BH allows him to create his own shot.  I've had a lot of success with high per/bh guys.

me too, bh is very valuable in 3 point shooters. give me a guard with high per/spd/bh and ill happily let him shoot 3s all day long.

But is a guy's effectiveness really a function of the high BH, or is it a combination of the PE and SPD? 

Here's an example from my D2 team:
Player A is 52/94 Ath/Spd, 93 PE, 71 BH.
Player B is 57/71 Ath/Spd, 88 PE, 34 BH. 

Both have an A IQ for offense. Player A's distro has been 2-3 points higher throughout the season.

Through 23 games, Player A is 60-143 from behind the arc. Player B is 66-168. So A is knocking it down at about a 2 percent better clip, but Player B is getting shots off at a better rate despite the significantly lower BH and lower distribution setting, even taking into account the fact that he's played 68 minutes more of ball this season. Given the differential in BH between A and B, if it were a component that plays a pivotal role, I'd expect to see a lot more divergence in their respective performances.

Not saying high BH guys aren't good to have -- I'll gladly take any that anyone wishes to get rid of. I'm just not convinced its that vital a component for 3-pt shooting success compared to ATH/SPD/PER

Regardless of your n = 1 example, I'd probably value BH above ATH for perimeter shooters.  At least in terms of 3 point success, maybe not in terms of what I'd recruit for because of defensive implications...

I would take the 70-87-74 everyday and twice on Sunday. Both will probably be successful (i.e., there's more than one way to achieve success), but, IME, athleticism and to some extent speed, are very important in gaining spacing for 3 point shooting. The Aht/Sp is just so much more valuable as it impacts everything from t/o, def, steals, to rebounding, fouls, etc. The difference in Per will matter some, but will be more than made up by the other stuff. The higher ath/spe guy will deliver a much more consistently good performance.

Here's the thing, the lower sp/ath guy will likely dominate inferior opponents due to the high Per. BUT, when facing higher quality opponents he will be shut down or have a very inefficient performance (i.e., 4 for 20 type shooting). I see a midldling speed/ath guy with high per or lp, I double team him w/ superior athletes and shut him down completely. The higher ath/sp guy will be harder to do that too and he will perform better against the top competition which will carry you further in the toruney