Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/18/2012 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by angmar on 6/18/2012 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

You seem to be missing the point that your job is not on the line.  Not this season, not next, and probably not the one after that.  You're not even close to getting fired, so why do you keep insisting that your job is on the line or that you're about to be canned?

I think I made it clear that I'm not fearing for my job right now in other posts. I'm simply taking this as an example as to why logic is flawed IMO. This thread is more about inciting change than hoping I don't get fired. 

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/18/2012 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by taniajane on 6/17/2012 12:42:00 PM (view original):
My 2 cents (not worth a plumb nickel) is that perhaps this IS a facit of the game that is realistic. Not all booster's expectations are the same and vary from school to school.....

That's why I think seble should clarify what exactly goes on in the logic. 

It's wins, post season appearances, post season wins and end of the season  rankings.....that's it.

Posted by ryrun on 6/18/2012 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

"which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line..."

Yes, surely you don't feel your job is in trouble. Until someone points out that your job isn't in trouble. Then you tell them you know you're not in trouble. But then a few posts go by and suddenly your job is in trouble.

All of these contradictions are very troubling.

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/18/2012 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 6/18/2012 3:38:00 PM (view original):
You can make the PIT 1st round for the next 500 seasons and not get fired, so how is the current logic flawed?

/sarcasm. 

I figured I'd go ahead and throw that in there for you. 

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/18/2012 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ryrun on 6/18/2012 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

"which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line..."

Yes, surely you don't feel your job is in trouble. Until someone points out that your job isn't in trouble. Then you tell them you know you're not in trouble. But then a few posts go by and suddenly your job is in trouble.

All of these contradictions are very troubling.

'On the line' is different than feeling I'm about to be fired. It's just an idiom I used to express that my job is not completely safe. I don't know how I could better specify that my job is at least in question without saying I'm about to be fired. I think 'on the line' is the proper idiom to describe the situation. 

The reason I say I'm not worried for my job is that I'm positive about next season's outlook. However, from a black and white standpoint, "Booster's Complaining" does in fact imply that one's job is on the line. So, in fact, my lack of worrying about losing my job and fact that my job is 'on the line' are completely independent of each other. 

A gambler's money is always on the line, but if he is the best poker player in the world, should he be worried about losing his money? (The answer is no and I'm not saying I'm the best coach in the world) 

Posted by stinenavy on 6/19/2012 1:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/18/2012 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 6/18/2012 3:38:00 PM (view original):
You can make the PIT 1st round for the next 500 seasons and not get fired, so how is the current logic flawed?

/sarcasm. 

I figured I'd go ahead and throw that in there for you. 

No. That's fact. I always look and see the resumes of people getting fired (usually nobody) and have never seen anyone make the postseason and get fired, with the exception of one guy who boostered himself out of a job.

Posted by timhunter44 on 6/19/2012 10:22:00 AM (view original):
I am not very good at this game - just look at my coaching history - and have a long history of mediocrity both at Big 6 and mid-major conferences. Therefore, these opinions are provided with absolutely no track record of success in this game.

1. You've done a pretty good job competing in a very competitive conference. You will have many many more years there to turn it around. Trust me, I sucked at Northwestern and still road out a few seasons with boosters complaining before I decided to leave. I probably could have stayed another 6 seasons before they finally canned me.

2. When you start a thread talking about how the program logic is screwed up and that logic is not directly impacting you, you may simply be trying to improve the game. When you start the same thread because that logic is working against you, you are complaining. My advice, take it or leave it, is to stop complaining.

3. When you use your own coaching history at NC State as an example, and describe your own performance as a tremendous turnaround where the boosters should be thanking you, don't be surprised if successful coaches point out that your performance does not indicate a tremendous turnaround.

4. If you want to use real world logic by comparing your coaching success to the past 40 seasons, please remember that, in real life, schools do not hire SIMs to coach. Any human coach would have been an improvement over SIM during those years prior to your arrival. Maybe not as big of an improvement as you made, but better nonetheless. Hell, even I could have kept them at a C with 10-12 wins a season.

5. It looks like all you need to do is figure out how to consistently beat some really good teams in your conference and you will be set. If the conference is as dominant as you indicated (based on your comment that TrentonJoe's Big East is nowhere as challenging as your ACC), you have plenty of chances each season to beat ranked teams. Stop complaining and beat some of them in the same season and you should get a good seed in the NT. Get a good seed and you should have a shot to win a NT game. Do that and your boosters are no longer complaining. There's your formula right there. If you cannot do that, your boosters should be complaining. 

Posted by emy1013 on 6/19/2012 2:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/18/2012 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ryrun on 6/18/2012 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

"which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line..."

Yes, surely you don't feel your job is in trouble. Until someone points out that your job isn't in trouble. Then you tell them you know you're not in trouble. But then a few posts go by and suddenly your job is in trouble.

All of these contradictions are very troubling.

'On the line' is different than feeling I'm about to be fired. It's just an idiom I used to express that my job is not completely safe. I don't know how I could better specify that my job is at least in question without saying I'm about to be fired. I think 'on the line' is the proper idiom to describe the situation. 

The reason I say I'm not worried for my job is that I'm positive about next season's outlook. However, from a black and white standpoint, "Booster's Complaining" does in fact imply that one's job is on the line. So, in fact, my lack of worrying about losing my job and fact that my job is 'on the line' are completely independent of each other. 

A gambler's money is always on the line, but if he is the best poker player in the world, should he be worried about losing his money? (The answer is no and I'm not saying I'm the best coach in the world) 

But your job ISN'T on the line.  "Boosters complaining" is NOT the last step before you get fired.  "In Jeopardy" is the last step and you're not there yet.  Probably a couple of bad seasons from getting there actually.  You thinking that you won't get fired because your outlook for next season is good has nothing, NOTHING to do with whether you're going to lose your job next season or not.  You're not to the last step yet, which again, is IN JEOPARDY.  Damn, it ain't that difficult if you'd just listen.  In fact, in a previous post, you were told that you're at least THREE seasons from getting canned, yet here you are throwing out some poker analogy and still thinking that there's the "possibility" that you'll lose your job next year.  Ain't gonna happen man, relax.

Please read this post.

Posted by emy1013 on 6/19/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Bump for Car's response to the Boosters Complaining/In Jeopardy explanation.  Surely he'll at least let us know that he now understands that he wasn't going to get fired after he went to Boosters Complaining?

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/20/2012 12:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 6/19/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Bump for Car's response to the Boosters Complaining/In Jeopardy explanation.  Surely he'll at least let us know that he now understands that he wasn't going to get fired after he went to Boosters Complaining?

I'm going to be 100% honest; I wasn't sure that there was an 'In Jeopardy' that followed 'Boosters Complaining'. I just always assumed that there were three levels of job safety. 

I knew there were different levels inside 'Boosters Complaining', but I think my ignorance of the whole subject is responsible for my anger that the boosters are complaining in the first place. 

Posted by emy1013 on 6/20/2012 12:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/20/2012 12:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 6/19/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Bump for Car's response to the Boosters Complaining/In Jeopardy explanation.  Surely he'll at least let us know that he now understands that he wasn't going to get fired after he went to Boosters Complaining?

I'm going to be 100% honest; I wasn't sure that there was an 'In Jeopardy' that followed 'Boosters Complaining'. I just always assumed that there were three levels of job safety. 

I knew there were different levels inside 'Boosters Complaining', but I think my ignorance of the whole subject is responsible for my anger that the boosters are complaining in the first place. 

No sweat Car, just chalk this one up to a learning experience.  And remember to relax, you've still got a good three or four seasons before you need to REALLY worry.  Best of luck with your continuing rebuild of the Wolfpack, got accepted there but chose to attend a different school instead.