I didnt see this in the thread, so if it is there, I apologize.  I know there is a change to rely less on baseline prestige and conference prestige.  How much less is my question?  Are we going to see huge changes in prestige in the first season?  Are Elite jobs (UNC, UCLA, etc...) still going to have a minimum prestige that actual prestige will not go below?

I think it is good to have elite programs and not let the prestige of those schools drop below a certain point.  Just my opinion.

Ask this question for the developer chat.  Its a good one.  But I think baseline/conf prestige is still a factor, just not as big of a factor.

These new changes are going to ruin DI.

Really?  I think the changes are going to allow coaches that stink to reap the rewards of their suckiness.  This is probably the best change of all of them. 

Posted by mmt0315 on 6/20/2012 11:58:00 AM (view original):
These new changes are going to ruin DI.

Ok. How?

Posted by mmt0315 on 6/20/2012 11:58:00 AM (view original):
These new changes are going to ruin DI.

You are clueless.

The new changes all look very good to me on paper.
How they play out in the actual engine will take a little time to see.
Well done Seble, for the effort.
Nothing will ever please everyone all of the time, it's a given.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 6/20/2012 12:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mmt0315 on 6/20/2012 11:58:00 AM (view original):
These new changes are going to ruin DI.

Ok. How?

Since you asked:

The big schools have the most EEs to begin with and it seems the change will make it even more likely that big schools get hit...I think EEs should be a bit more predictable so then you can blame yourself...Im indifferent towards booster gifts as Ive ... never used them...I like the prestige changes although if you start to see a midmajor as an A+ after 3-4 seasons (which I fear is going to happen) then Id be against it...it just seems that the unintended consequence of these changes is going to ... produce 50+ teams that are all like one another which made the game boring after the original implementation of potential. I dont buy into the notion that mid majors cant compete or that its impossible to build a C school in a major conference. I ... dont consider myself to be a top 50 HD coach and Ive been able to build both types of programs. Is it far easier at an elite? Certainly, but I also think thats how it should be and that those jobs are earned.

I think the prestige changes are more likely to affect schools like Wake Forest in Allen who've been to something like two NT's in 20 seasons and are still A- than take a bunch of mid-majors and turn them into A+ schools. 

And the EE system has been horribly inconsistent.  Toledo in Allen lost an EE last year who would have been a role player on most any BCS team whilst BC kept a 1000 plus guy and a bunch of other 900+ OVR guys stayed.  The EE changes are fantastic, and I'm glad seble listened to the masses on this one. 

I'm also not sure that since recruit generation changed that there aren't already 50-ish teams that are exactly alike in DI.  Have you seen the talent disparity betwixt BCS conferences and the rest of the world? 

Jslot --- I agree that EEs are a problem. But I dont think the problem is with midmajors losing to many guys...the problem is EEs are far to unpredictable and inconsistent. This change seems to be intended to have more guys leave elites and if you want to see how an elite can get killed by EEs check out my old Kansas team in Naismith where I was losing roughly two players a season...even in years I didnt advance past the second round.

What I was referring to about 50-ish similar teams was back when potential was initially instituted and the phrase known as the "coin flip dynasty". I fear the net result of these changes will put us in a similar spot.

sorry this cant be more detailed but Im swamped at work. Anyhow no point in debating this as the changes seem like they are going through; so as always Ill simply adjust.

The mid-majors are losing too many crappy players.  At least in Allen where I pay attention.  Gonzaga has had an EE every year with a B+ prestige and a 1st/2nd rnd NT appearance for the last 4 or 5.  Its killing em to lose 800 rated guys while multiple 900 level guys come back for their senior year.

I don't think you will see 50 of the same team.  The top top teams will have EEs just like they do now, and the extra recruiting $$$ and prestige will just make the power teams younger and more talented, while the midmajors get the experience more and have a better shot vs. the low end BCS schools, since conference prestige won't prop up the losers.

There are more than one A level team in Allen than hasn't won an NT game in 10 seasons, but they are in the top conferences.