Value of Recruiting Effort Topic

Trentonjoe
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Is one Home Visit worth about 3-4 Scouting Trips?

Is one Campus Visit worth about 1.5-2 Home Visits?

Is 15 starting minutes worth about one HV?

Is a promised start worth about a CV?


Just thinking out loud to see if my assumptions are in the ball park.


6/30/2012 8:08 AM
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The short answer is no one really knows.
I think that a HV is worth a little less than you're saying, and a CV a little more. As for the promises -- that nobody knows in any kind of real way. They should be worth more though.
6/30/2012 10:01 AM
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Posted by girt25 on 6/30/2012 10:01:00 AM (view original):
The short answer is no one really knows.
I think that a HV is worth a little less than you're saying, and a CV a little more. As for the promises -- that nobody knows in any kind of real way. They should be worth more though.
That is the frustrating illogic to me. I would think a campus/home visit in conjunction with promised start or minutes would be a near deal sealer unless someone else offered the same. But no one seems to know...
6/30/2012 10:10 AM
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Totally agree that promises should be worth more...substantially more in my opinion. 
6/30/2012 10:26 AM
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Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/30/2012 10:26:00 AM (view original):
Totally agree that promises should be worth more...substantially more in my opinion. 
agreed, however in my opinion a promised start would need to have, say 20 minutes promised attached to it so that people can't just start a kid and play him 3mpg all season.
6/30/2012 2:17 PM
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Promises should vary, because they don't mean the same to every player. For example a top 10 player knows he's going to start wherever he signs, so getting a promise that he will means next to nothing. Whereas if the same promise is made to the the #85 player at his position and you're a BCS school that could carry a ton of weight. I think as is recruiting is too systematic, and I would love more uncertainty, give players a personality and make certain things matter more to them. Would make things much more interesting, rather than the current auction system we have.

6/30/2012 2:29 PM
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Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/30/2012 8:08:00 AM (view original):
Is one Home Visit worth about 3-4 Scouting Trips?

Is one Campus Visit worth about 1.5-2 Home Visits?

Is 15 starting minutes worth about one HV?

Is a promised start worth about a CV?


Just thinking out loud to see if my assumptions are in the ball park.


close. knock HV down a tad in your first two and you are right on (taking your statement to mean, HV = 3.5SV, CV = 1.75HV). promises, as mentioned, nobody knows. but i would place you in the right ball park, thats basically the forum fact about promises (15m = HV, start = CV). i personally place promises a bit higher.
6/30/2012 2:48 PM
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If promised minutes are only worth a HV then I have really been screwing up when offering minutes.
7/1/2012 12:27 AM
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I've apparently been *drastically* undervaluing scouting trips. Maybe I'll start using them for non-dropdowns.
7/1/2012 12:48 AM
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Posted by zbrent716 on 7/1/2012 12:48:00 AM (view original):
I've apparently been *drastically* undervaluing scouting trips. Maybe I'll start using them for non-dropdowns.
probably a bad idea, they are still always the worst choice for effort. i don't think there is any situation ever in which scouting visits are NOT the worst choice. but its not that big of a margin at some distances, where i use them from time to time if im bored and want to know my players potential, even though it might cost me a slight amount of effort.
7/1/2012 1:03 AM
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the major misconception about SVs, i think, comes from the fact that it takes a **** ton to pull someone down. there is something fishy going on, where WIS is artificially reducing the effort done by schools on pulldowns, or something. the amount of SVs it takes to get a pulldown to consider you is super high, it makes SVs seem damn near useless. but if you use SVs to get someone to consider you, they really aren't that horrible.
7/1/2012 1:04 AM
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lostmyth taught me years ago that a CV was worth about 2.5-2.75 HV and that math has always worked for me in my recruiting battle calculations.
7/1/2012 10:15 AM
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If it's 2.5 than HV's are only better within like 50 miles.  If it is 2.75 it's never more efficient to send HV's.
7/1/2012 10:30 AM
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Yea, I remember when LM said that he thought CVs were 2.5-3x HVs, but I'm pretty sure he was wrong. I think the problem is back then, and even now, there is a misconception about the advantage of prestige. I remember it was going around that in D1, 1/3 letter grade was a 33% advantage, and I think now most people realize that that's far from the truth. People even thought there was a decent advantage at D2/D3 but now most people realize that when it comes to battles prestige is nearly meaningless outside of D1.
7/1/2012 10:46 AM
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Posted by gillispie1 on 7/1/2012 1:04:00 AM (view original):
the major misconception about SVs, i think, comes from the fact that it takes a **** ton to pull someone down. there is something fishy going on, where WIS is artificially reducing the effort done by schools on pulldowns, or something. the amount of SVs it takes to get a pulldown to consider you is super high, it makes SVs seem damn near useless. but if you use SVs to get someone to consider you, they really aren't that horrible.
I've always been told that the major - if only - value of STs was that they could not be refused.  For D3 and D2 teams, it means they're the only reliable method of getting yourself considered.

STs will also give you some info on fine grades of potential (high, low-high, high-high).

At least in D2/D3 they're a viable tool to get pulldowns.  I'm not sure what they'll do for a D1 program.
 

7/1/2012 11:50 AM
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