New Division 1 coach--need some recruiting tips Topic

Posted by pjbrankin on 7/31/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):
13 is way too high. I'd say about 40.
you, on the other hand, could use to look a little higher! you sign your full classes way too easily. reach a little :) wheres the reach player in your current class? on a b- prestige you should definitely be reaching a little more. 

rule of thumb is any time you sign a class with little to no contention, you shot to low. sometimes a+ schools have great classes that come real easy, but its more of a freak thing and a blessing you don't look for twice. 
7/31/2012 5:28 PM
Thanks for all the advice guys! I've c-and-p'd most of it into a Word doc for easy reference. What's the consensus on mining the upper echelons of the D-2 level recruits from a low-D1 school like Campbell? Like I said, I had better returning talent on D-2 Lynn than I do on this Campbell team, so perhaps that can be a useful tactic in the first season or two?     
7/31/2012 5:48 PM
I sitemailed you coach, looking forward to your response.
7/31/2012 7:57 PM
Posted by pjbrankin on 7/31/2012 7:57:00 PM (view original):
I sitemailed you coach, looking forward to your response.
That's odd. I didn't get a sitemail. Did you make sure to put the "98" at the end?
7/31/2012 8:29 PM
It was for coach_billyg
7/31/2012 8:31 PM
Posted by pjbrankin on 7/31/2012 8:31:00 PM (view original):
It was for coach_billyg
Ah, okay. That makes sense now, given that he was giving you some advice in this thread as well.
7/31/2012 8:32 PM
Posted by coach_billyg on 7/31/2012 5:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wildcat98 on 7/31/2012 4:11:00 PM (view original):
Thanks for the tips, Rogelio! Here are the ratings/colors for Courtney and Raymond:

Courtney
Blue = BH (79)
Black = Ath (47), Reb (15), Def (30), WE (31), Dur (53)
Red = Speed (82), Shot Blocking (2), LP (12), PE (63), Passing (63), Stamina (70), FT Shooting (B)

Raymond
Blue = BH (10)
Black = Reb (91), WE (63), Stamina (68)
Red = Everything else

The only problem I see with making two cuts this season is that it leaves me needing to recruit two guys on only a 2-man budget, since I don't think you get extra scholarship money when you rescind schollies. If I cut one, on the other hand, I can recruit one player (using a 2-man budget) to get back to 9 scholarship players. That would leave me with the money to fill 7 schollies after next season, which I could use to go after 3 guys. This would leave me with a roster breakdown of 4 sim recruits/4 self-recruits/4 walk-ons after next season.

Then, the following year I would have a 5-6 scholly budget, with which to recruit 3 guys, and would be all the way up to 7 self-recruits/2 simmy/3 walk-ons. My only fear in making too many cuts is that I'll end up with only 6-7 scholarship guys, and will go 0-27. I don't mind taking lumps, but that'd be pretty rough.
you can be highly successful with 8 players. teams have recently won championships and gotten runner ups with 8-9 man rosters, in d1 tark where i play. you really are much better off in non top end d1, to have 8 slightly better players than 10 slightly worse ones. well, depends what you run, but you are not running press or fb, so you can run 8 with minimal impact and 9 with virtually no impact. so as long as u only cut two, even if you sign 0 players you will be ok.

you won't get money right away when you cut, but if you wait to cut till next season, you wont get the money till the season after that. better to cut now, and get the money next season. 
Thanks for all the help! I've already cut Courtney, but am really torn on Raymond. He's a 95 REB and a 60+ Shot blocker. Just really wondering if there's not at least SOME upside to keeping him for his final two seasons, at least as a 2nd or 3rd center. Thoughts?
8/1/2012 9:56 AM
If Raymond's ATH and/or DEF were higher (or at least had some potential left) you could easily justify keeping him... but he isn't going to be getting much better in any categories that matter, so you could find someone better.

Ultimately it's your team, so if you think you should keep him, go for it... I don't think it's going to make or break your season or anything, but I'd rather have a player developing for two seasons (or one season if you take a walk on in his place) rather than carrying a guy who is as good as he's going to get... and isn't even a solid role player.

I don't really mind the 0-27 type seasons when I first take over a school... there isn't a huge difference between 0-27 and 6-21, really.  I just focus more on how the players are developing rather than looking at the play by play, knowing that you'll be better for it in the end.  Rebuilds can be very tough - I had to go through a 3-24 season at my D2 school in Crum just to get the roster how I wanted it, but it was worth it at a big picture level.
8/1/2012 10:57 AM
To be honest, wildcat, I was closer to suggesting keeping Courtney, than Raymond.  Courtney would fill a need for you next season, but so would a freshman with similar initial ratings and much more potential.  As a matter of fact, I don't mind saying this as you didn't recruit Raymond, I wouldn't play Raymond on a D2 team.  IMHO, Raymond is best suited as a starting center on a D3 zone defense team.  Cutting him is addition by subtraction; I would much rather have that $15,000 next season, which a walk-on would provide, than to keep Raymond.  

The most you can have is money from 6 schollies + tournament cash.  So, if you cut him and take 2 walk-ons this season, then next season you may have a slightly better prestige and at least $91,667 with which to recruit.  That is how you'll turn Campbell into a power!
8/1/2012 12:22 PM
Well thanks, guys! I'd pretty much decided to give Raymond the old heave-ho anyways, and seeing this just confirms it. I very much appreciate all the input, particularly on not worrying about running with only 8 or 9 scholarship guys.
8/1/2012 12:28 PM
You're welcome, but don't get me wrong - do sign a center and a perimeter guard.  You might redshirt the guard, but you'll probably want to find some freshman center to whom to give some minutes (heck, you might even be able to promise a start at this point). 
8/1/2012 12:43 PM
If worse comes to worst, then I can always give some C minutes to my PFs.
8/1/2012 1:05 PM
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