WiS allowing violation of Fair Play Rules Topic

And just to be clear.  I was really down with the CUSA project.  I think it is awesome to make a mid-major conference an elite player at D1.  However, to be clear, I don't like it when other users seem to mysteriously get pushed aside to help competitive issues. 

And here, I will grant you, I have little foundational evidence of anything other than feeling of similar circumstances and regions and conference.

Let me ask you a more pointed question - do you have any knowledge that anybody in your conference has contacted C/S regarding Mets and his Auburn job?  If you did, would you man up here and admit it?
8/28/2012 11:06 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 10:48:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 10:36:00 AM (view original):
FYI though - in the case at hand - the user had went to WIS before acquiring the 2nd team to find out the mileage requirements (which were not posted at that time, but officially/unofficially 800 miles).  They relied on WIS telling them that 800 miles was the rule.

jp, I do not believe that is the case. I believe that the user in question had both teams for some time before inquiring about the distance and getting permission to keep both teams to my knowledge. This was granted apparently shortly before the rule was enacted. I do believe both teams were already established before the CS discussion was had.
For the record, so my position is clear, either way (getting approval for 800 prior to taking new school or having both long term and then getting approval at 850ish) I still don't feel the rule should have exceptions. It has nothing to do with a competitive edge and everything to do with if there is a rule all users should be bound by it equally.
You are wrong in the first paragraph.  I know this for a fact.  Mileage requirements were absolutely sought out prior to taking the 2nd job.

See, a little back history for all of our listeners out there... 

When you guys were starting up CUSA, I was asked to join and leave my Tex AM CC (another id).  So were other coaches.  The funny thing was, most people (can't say everybody cuz that is an absolute which I cannot prove) in your conference had no problem with me taking a CUSA team (at the time) even though I would have been closer to Tenn.  Similar to other coaches who were approached I am sure.  Its just when otehr coaches don't move and still win, they suddenly get sitemails from C/S about the distance between their two schools.  So, such a hypothetical coach may have had his T's crossed and I's dotted when he made another move, don't you think?

wait, are we talking about mets or the coach in my exchange. I haven't named the coach I am talking about, so I am thinking we are talking about different things, unless you believe you have divined who I am talking about? Now I am confused...

If you are talking about mets with the prior approval thing, that I have no knowledge of.

For accuracy sake I went back and took another look at the coach's teams that I am questioning. He has been at one quite some time, the second considerably less, but still long enough ago that he would have taken the job some time before the new guidelines were released I believe. The ticket exchange with CS stated that, "In this specific case the user is allowed to stay at these two schools because we had approved it shortly before we released the updated Fair Play Guidelines."

I can't remember anymore when these were introduced. I guess it is possible that the coach got approval before taking the second job depending upon when the guidelines were released. I want to try to make sure the facts are presented factually... ultimately, for me, it doesn't matter if he was given permission ahead of time and took over the new, second school the day before the guidelines went into effect. I don't blame the user for anything, nor do I think he is trying explicitly to subvert the rules per se. I disagree with WiS allowing the deviation, for the reasons I've already established. It truly is just a simple case of I feel that the rules should apply equally to all users.
8/28/2012 11:06 AM
No - the coach in your subject (NOT mets) had prior approval to take any job over 800 miles away (the old unofficial rule confirmed to him by C/S) before he took the 2nd job.
8/28/2012 11:08 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:06:00 AM (view original):
And just to be clear.  I was really down with the CUSA project.  I think it is awesome to make a mid-major conference an elite player at D1.  However, to be clear, I don't like it when other users seem to mysteriously get pushed aside to help competitive issues. 

And here, I will grant you, I have little foundational evidence of anything other than feeling of similar circumstances and regions and conference.

Let me ask you a more pointed question - do you have any knowledge that anybody in your conference has contacted C/S regarding Mets and his Auburn job?  If you did, would you man up here and admit it?
Not trying to be snarky with this response -

Upthread a bit I stated that, until you mentioned it here, I had no idea mets was forced from a job. I had nothing to do with it (although, to be fair, if I had noticed it I may have initiated a CS ticket regarding the issue, as I did in my case, since I still believe what I believe regarding the application of the rule to everyone equally).

I have no knowledge of anyone else contacting CS regarding the issue of the 1000 mile rule regarding any user actually. If I did I would certainly man up and admit it. I think I've demonstrated a willingness to speak my mind even if the topic is unpleasant.
8/28/2012 11:11 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
No - the coach in your subject (NOT mets) had prior approval to take any job over 800 miles away (the old unofficial rule confirmed to him by C/S) before he took the 2nd job.
Since I don't remember when the guidelines were released this is entirely possible (although I'm not sure how you know who I am referring to)

It doesn't change my opinion however.
8/28/2012 11:15 AM
Geez, can't people be allowed to discuss things without bringing up conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence - at best?
8/28/2012 11:16 AM
And I appreciate that you have done so, and to your credit, in a professional manner.

I probably lost my head a bit (sorry for that), but there is also this behind the scenes political garbage that goes on with WIS and it ruins the enjoyment of the game.
8/28/2012 11:17 AM
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 11:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
No - the coach in your subject (NOT mets) had prior approval to take any job over 800 miles away (the old unofficial rule confirmed to him by C/S) before he took the 2nd job.
Since I don't remember when the guidelines were released this is entirely possible (although I'm not sure how you know who I am referring to)

It doesn't change my opinion however.
You know that I know who we are talking about.  Come on, let's not insult each other....
8/28/2012 11:18 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:17:00 AM (view original):
And I appreciate that you have done so, and to your credit, in a professional manner.

I probably lost my head a bit (sorry for that), but there is also this behind the scenes political garbage that goes on with WIS and it ruins the enjoyment of the game.
Thank you for that. I don't enjoy all that stuff either, and truly I debated posting this thread at all for a couple days since I expected there would be some who reacted negatively. Ultimately I decided that the community should be aware of this and be allowed to come to its own conclusions.
8/28/2012 11:20 AM
(cues the xfiles music)
8/28/2012 11:21 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:18:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 11:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
No - the coach in your subject (NOT mets) had prior approval to take any job over 800 miles away (the old unofficial rule confirmed to him by C/S) before he took the 2nd job.
Since I don't remember when the guidelines were released this is entirely possible (although I'm not sure how you know who I am referring to)

It doesn't change my opinion however.
You know that I know who we are talking about.  Come on, let's not insult each other....
Not trying to insult you, honestly - I tried deliberately not to identify the coach in question, because it isn't really about them it is about the policy. If you have determined who I am talking about somehow (not saying that's impossible) that's ok, but I am not trying to insult you...
8/28/2012 11:21 AM
Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/28/2012 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Geez, can't people be allowed to discuss things without bringing up conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence - at best?
The only "conspiracy" issue is the Auburn matter.

The other issue is well-stated and calls upon WIS to ex post facto screw people out of the time and money they have invested in their teams. 
8/28/2012 11:23 AM
WIS doesn't care about these things, plain and simple. There are coaches who have 2 teams in the same conf. 
8/28/2012 11:24 AM
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:18:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 11:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
No - the coach in your subject (NOT mets) had prior approval to take any job over 800 miles away (the old unofficial rule confirmed to him by C/S) before he took the 2nd job.
Since I don't remember when the guidelines were released this is entirely possible (although I'm not sure how you know who I am referring to)

It doesn't change my opinion however.
You know that I know who we are talking about.  Come on, let's not insult each other....
Not trying to insult you, honestly - I tried deliberately not to identify the coach in question, because it isn't really about them it is about the policy. If you have determined who I am talking about somehow (not saying that's impossible) that's ok, but I am not trying to insult you...
I have a pretty good idea who this coach you are talking about is, and I know it's not metsmax. I didn't even know he had 2 teams in D1 Rupp. 
8/28/2012 11:27 AM
Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/28/2012 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Geez, can't people be allowed to discuss things without bringing up conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence - at best?
The only "conspiracy" issue is the Auburn matter.

The other issue is well-stated and calls upon WIS to ex post facto screw people out of the time and money they have invested in their teams. 
Look up at my original post in this thread. I'm agnostic on that matter, and see both sides of the issue.
8/28/2012 11:31 AM
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