WiS allowing violation of Fair Play Rules Topic

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Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/28/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):
WIS doesn't care about these things, plain and simple. There are coaches who have 2 teams in the same conf. 
But are they 1000 miles apart :)  Mostly a joke, but there are some D2 conferences with PA schools and Alaska in there as well.  Though, they would play each other I guess, which WIS apparently hates.
8/28/2012 11:31 AM
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Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/28/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):
WIS doesn't care about these things, plain and simple. There are coaches who have 2 teams in the same conf. 
But are they 1000 miles apart :)  Mostly a joke, but there are some D2 conferences with PA schools and Alaska in there as well.  Though, they would play each other I guess, which WIS apparently hates.
They are not even 500 miles apart.
8/28/2012 11:37 AM
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Posted by mjp8 on 8/28/2012 12:19:00 AM (view original):
I'm against the idea of 2 teams in the same world no matter what divisions or how far away. I know it is done a lot, but I find it hard to believe that coaches with 2 teams have never once taken advantage in some way during recruiting.
I have two teams in the same world and the thought has never occurred to me. This is a Sim game, the point is to have fun and compete against the people you come to know. I dont see the need to use the FSS of one school for another. You might find it hard to believe as you would probably cheat given the opportunity so you cannot see why others wouldnt. But dont go and group me for one as I never have and never would.
8/28/2012 11:39 AM
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Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 7:28:00 AM (view original):
Sorry if I seem angry in the post above. I am really not.  I just get tired of seeing a vocal majority constantly unsatisfied with everything WIS does and putting on a self-prescribed fun-police tiara.  

Is this game perfect?  No way (goodness knows I have my pity pants on about EE's right now).  Is it pretty darn good though?  You betcha, and you believe that too, or you wouldn't spend your entertainment dollars here.   

So anyway - my point to dac is -  lets not get bogged down in minor stuff, when 1) you know a coach is given permission to have a team and acts in reliance on that information, and 2) isn't cheating!  

If you know (heck even reasonably think) they are cheating, that is a different story.
Well said.
8/28/2012 11:42 AM
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Again WIS doesn't care. I provided convincing evidence that a coach was cheating (multiple teams with players coming from the same state, in the same year), WIS doesn't care. End of the day, WIS sees multiple teams in the same world as more revenue, not cheating. 
8/28/2012 11:49 AM
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After re-reading this thread, and sitemailing with dac off-line, I owe dac an apology for attacking his motives in going to CS on this.  I jumped to conclusions after reading his original post and jpmills' posts on CCs.  Sorry dac.

That said, the enforcement mechanisms on this rule (and the rule itself) remain stupid in my opinion.  No idea why WIS wants to run successful coaches off of teams they've built, but hey, it's their website. 

8/28/2012 11:50 AM
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Posted by johnsensing on 8/28/2012 11:50:00 AM (view original):

After re-reading this thread, and sitemailing with dac off-line, I owe dac an apology for attacking his motives in going to CS on this.  I jumped to conclusions after reading his original post and jpmills' posts on CCs.  Sorry dac.

That said, the enforcement mechanisms on this rule (and the rule itself) remain stupid in my opinion.  No idea why WIS wants to run successful coaches off of teams they've built, but hey, it's their website. 

thanks john, and I agree that the rule itself is not a great rule. I'd be happy if CS revoked the rule and declared they would handle things on a case by case basis.
8/28/2012 11:55 AM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/28/2012 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Again WIS doesn't care. I provided convincing evidence that a coach was cheating (multiple teams with players coming from the same state, in the same year), WIS doesn't care. End of the day, WIS sees multiple teams in the same world as more revenue, not cheating. 
That is not entirely true.  They just ran off Mets at Auburn.  And yes, he was contacted by C/S about his distance problems.
8/28/2012 11:56 AM
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Posted by dacj501 on 8/28/2012 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Posted by johnsensing on 8/28/2012 11:50:00 AM (view original):

After re-reading this thread, and sitemailing with dac off-line, I owe dac an apology for attacking his motives in going to CS on this.  I jumped to conclusions after reading his original post and jpmills' posts on CCs.  Sorry dac.

That said, the enforcement mechanisms on this rule (and the rule itself) remain stupid in my opinion.  No idea why WIS wants to run successful coaches off of teams they've built, but hey, it's their website. 

thanks john, and I agree that the rule itself is not a great rule. I'd be happy if CS revoked the rule and declared they would handle things on a case by case basis.
The only problem with a case by case basis is that people would NEVER agree what an appropriate case was. Ever. It's just the way people work. So you can see the attraction of a bright line policy.
8/28/2012 11:59 AM
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The official policy should have been, "if you fall between the old policy and the new policy, you are grandfathered in" and then allow those exceptions to disappear by attrition, if they were going to have the rule.
8/28/2012 12:00 PM
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Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 8/28/2012 11:49:00 AM (view original):
Again WIS doesn't care. I provided convincing evidence that a coach was cheating (multiple teams with players coming from the same state, in the same year), WIS doesn't care. End of the day, WIS sees multiple teams in the same world as more revenue, not cheating. 
That is not entirely true.  They just ran off Mets at Auburn.  And yes, he was contacted by C/S about his distance problems.
What's his other team?
8/28/2012 12:01 PM
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Maryland.  Admittedly close.  He was at MSU forever prior to coming to Auburn.  MSU is closer to Maryland actually.   My guess is he came to Auburn in an effort to appease C/S.  There just weren't enough elite jobs available and Auburn was the closest thing to MSU quality.   Him moving from MSU to Auburn, trying to make something work - just wasn't enough.

Sorry to drag you into this tianyi (since you weren't there), but there is a history of SEC coaches being removed from teams (both prior to the official rule and now, after the rule) and there are often CUSA links...
8/28/2012 12:11 PM
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Even though it was a mileage issue, Mets does not believe it was Dac.

So I APOLOGIZE FOR BELIEVING HE GOT METS BOOTED.

Still would like to see other CUSA support tix though ;)
8/28/2012 12:15 PM
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Posted by jpmills3 on 8/28/2012 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Even though it was a mileage issue, Mets does not believe it was Dac.

So I APOLOGIZE FOR BELIEVING HE GOT METS BOOTED.

Still would like to see other CUSA support tix though ;)
I appreciate the apology jp, and I also apologize for anything I may have said that could be construed as disparaging.

In the interest of fairness and clarity though, I will admit that while I had nothing to do with mets and Auburn and whatnot, I also didn't know he had two teams in violation of the rule. If I had, I likely would have requested CS look into it. So while I wasn't responsible, I don't necessarily disagree with the action, in the face of the current rule. I still would prefer not to have the rule, but since we do, I still think everyone should be bound by it. I do think it sucks for mets, and for his conference.
8/28/2012 12:26 PM
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And also to be clear and transparent, Mets went to Auburn after the fair play guidelines were updated with the 1000 mile rule, so it he would not have the expectation of being "ok."  But he only moved there in the first place because MSU was too close (so he tried to make it work).

I do hate seeing good institutional coaches ran off.  It is NOT good for the game.  and there is definitely behind the scenes political stuff with conference rivalries that seems to drive many of these complaints.

That does not change my opinion on the subject matter of this post.  that person had approval long ago.  was told 800 miles was the rule.  relied on that rule.  its unfair to make take that person from their gig absent any evidence of shennanigans.

with that being said, i have some work to do!

8/28/2012 12:30 PM
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