With the new format in HD, if a player rejects the redshirt, he will not accept it if you remove and reapply the redshirt, is that correct?

correct - seble said that response to further on/off will be no better than first time

the WE drop could be worse a second time though, so if you find the drop to be acceptable leave the RS on...

Posted by dacj501 on 9/1/2012 8:30:00 PM (view original):
the WE drop could be worse a second time though, so if you find the drop to be acceptable leave the RS on...

Are you sure? Are you speaking from experience?

its from either dev chat or a cs ticket someone sent then posted to the forums when the new rs mechanic was introduced. I think dev chat, but don't want to go look.

Posted by m4284850 on 9/1/2012 11:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 9/1/2012 8:30:00 PM (view original):
the WE drop could be worse a second time though, so if you find the drop to be acceptable leave the RS on...

Are you sure? Are you speaking from experience?

Yes.  Speaking from personal experience.  CJ is correct in that it was posted in a thread a short while back by a coach who attempted the multiple redshirt attempt thing.  Work ethic kept dropping each time.  I believe it was ZBrent and if I'm not mistaken he went so far as to send a ticket to CS asking why the WE kept dropping more and more.  Paraphrasing CS' response, they basically said that the new redshirt rules as announced only applied to whether he would take it or not after one attempt.  The new rules did NOT address the effect it would have on a player's WE with multiple attempts. 

For what it's worth, I agree with CJ.  If his WE is at an acceptable level after the redshirt attempt, even if he throws a fit, then just leave it on.

The relevant portions of ticket #112796 (I haven't seen any update to the Knowledge Base yet) - 

Date	User
7/3/2012 9:42 AM	zbrent716
"Modified the logic for how a player will react to a redshirt. It will be based on the player's class, his recruiting position rank, and how he ranks on his team (so if he's one of the worst on the roster he's more likely to accept it). Also, his reaction to it will always be the same as it was the first try for a given season. So there won't be any benefit to removing and applying it multiple times." (6/26 update) Willie Polk wasn't thrilled with being redshirted, but he wasn't devastated either. His Work Ethic fell from 63 to 57.  Now, if I understand this update correctly, I can remove the redshirt now and have 2 exhibition games and practices from him where he'll get some playing at practice time at a 63 Work Ethic, and then put the redshirt back on before the OOC schedule begins. The WE will then just fall back to 57. Is that right?
7/3/2012 1:39 PM	Customer Support
No, his work ethic may drop even further the second time. The only thing that sticks is the actual high-level response (i.e. accept or reject).
7/3/2012 3:40 PM	zbrent716
...For future reference, I'd also strongly suggest you change/re-word the language of the update, because the phrase "his reaction to it will always be the same as it was the first try for a given season" seems misleading, given the potential for a different result from a subsequent reaction. Thanks!
7/3/2012 4:00 PM	Customer Support
...I"ll clarify that in the Knowledge Base as well.
7/3/2012 4:26 PM	zbrent716
... I'm also going to copy/paste this into the forum, so if someone searches there they know there is a risk of further drop. Thanks again!

So let me get this right.....Does that mean there has effectively been no change in the redshirting process?  The only thing that doesn't change is the accept or reject?  I didn't think a player could "reject" a redshirt, that he could only display his displeasure through a WE decrease.  Is there a cutoff to what accepting and what rejecting means i.e. up to 30% WE loss means he accepts it and anything more than that means he didn't accept it.

So of the first time he "accepts" the redshirt he loses 5 WE points, the second time could he lose 2 WE points, or even have no loss?  Is this response from CS just saying that it could only get worse?

Posted by milwood on 9/2/2012 10:27:00 AM (view original):
So let me get this right.....Does that mean there has effectively been no change in the redshirting process?  The only thing that doesn't change is the accept or reject?  I didn't think a player could "reject" a redshirt, that he could only display his displeasure through a WE decrease.  Is there a cutoff to what accepting and what rejecting means i.e. up to 30% WE loss means he accepts it and anything more than that means he didn't accept it.

So of the first time he "accepts" the redshirt he loses 5 WE points, the second time could he lose 2 WE points, or even have no loss?  Is this response from CS just saying that it could only get worse?

"Accept" means no WE loss. "Reject" means any WE loss.

The change was, in the past, a player might "reject" the first time, but you could take it off and keep trying over and over again and sometime down the line he might take it.

Now, the top-level response (accept/reject) will not change no matter when you try it during the season. The follow-up if he "rejects" still can/does change - try multiple times and he gets more and more upset, losing more and more WE.

also the process for a player deciding whether or not to accept the RS was changed.