Posted by dacj501 on 9/20/2012 11:27:00 AM (view original):
I think ars is saying that you still want some evals on guys you know have high potentials from FSS if you can to see who has the high-highs that are where the good stuff is at...

'Zactly. This difference between a guy with a fifty ath and a "high" potential and someone with a fifty ath and a high high potential can be massive.

bistiza, signing guys without FSS is like getting into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.

Posted by girt25 on 9/20/2012 9:19:00 PM (view original):
bistiza, signing guys without FSS is like getting into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.

its more like driving without your glasses on and 20-200 vision

How can FSS tell you if a guy is merely high or high-high? I thought only scouting trips could do that.

It can't. Hence my saying that even if you use fss, you don't want to stop using any scouting trips cold turkey.

On the other hand, it does not always matter to your recruiting decisions whether he is high or high-high.  Or at least, often it isnt worth the cost of an eval to find out.

Of course, sometimes it does matter - you have a decision to make about that.

fd and ars are both right, of course - depending on the situation, just knowing that the kid has high potential in areas might be good enough - but sometimes you'll be trying to decide one recruit over another, or the one you really wanted gets snatched up and now you are looking at less appealing prospects - many times for those situations evals are nice (assuming you can afford them - at long distance I many not use them myself due to cost) to help make the decision...

Hell, FSS tells you who it's even worth doing scouting trips on.

I just don't know how FSS is affordable if you've only got a one to three scholarships money at DIII. That's why I haven't really done much of it at that level. I just use scouting trips on local guys and if they seem favorable, I go after them.

Ok - put it this way. I see you havea team in vermont. A scouting trip costs, say, 150 to 160 locally. By the time you have sent two scoutin reports, you have already paid for fssing all of Vermont.

Actually, probably paid for vermont and new hampshire. But at d3, new england is sorta the sweet spot for spending on fss. And if you are in a big state, be on the border - like the new england edge of new york.

That's why I didn't like PA in D3, at least without a big postseason haul.  fd343ny, I like your FSS idea.

Posted by bistiza on 9/21/2012 11:24:00 AM (view original):
I just don't know how FSS is affordable if you've only got a one to three scholarships money at DIII. That's why I haven't really done much of it at that level. I just use scouting trips on local guys and if they seem favorable, I go after them.

you get much better info on a player (on average) by using FSS than by using 2 evals. like someone said, in most of your area, its just cheaper to FSS the whole state than to do the 2 evals - and then as a bonus, you get the whole state free. 

there is absolutely no way to compete with the highly successful coaches in this game, and probably even the moderately successful ones, at d2/d3, without using FSS. its just not possible. when i looked at your team a while back, there were some major issues - and i suspect not knowing the potential of a number of the core ratings of your players was a prime cause. you cant sign a d2/d3 big without knowing the potential of his ath/reb... and you really want to know some of his other stats, too. his def or sta could kill him. there are even more stats for guards. and i could bet a lot of money that if you are using enough evals to figure out ALL those ratings for every player you spend, you could easily FSS the whole area for half the cost. i suspect you aren't recruiting those players knowing the potential of each of those areas - if you think FSS is expensive, how expensive is having a bad player on the team for 4 years? its wayyyyyyy more expensive :) give FSS a try, its an incredibly good deal.

Posted by llamanunts on 9/21/2012 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Hell, FSS tells you who it's even worth doing scouting trips on.

This is it precisely.

If you are choosing who to use scouting trips on, you're doing it wrong on the vast majority of recruits. Occasionally you'll have the recruit who is so good at something his potential doesn't really matter, but that's a rarity (especially at D3).

Without FSS, you think that 40 Ath, 10 Speed, 60 Reb C might be worth more than the 30 Ath, 10 Speed, 50 Reb C. With FSS, you can see that the first guy has low relevant potentials, so isn't worth a roster spot, but that second guy has 6 "high" categories. The first guy will have higher ratings for the first 4 games or so of his career and will then be dead weight.