Prestige is also a factor. The higher your prestige, the fewer HV/CV it takes to get a recruit to be high priority/very tight.

Posted by killbatman on 9/27/2012 4:33:00 PM (view original):
My guess would be about 12-15 HVs or the equivalent.  I'm sure it varies at least a little bit.

One recent data point:
2 HVs, start, scholly and considering only me --> low priority WOTS
2nd school shows up on the list
additional 5 CVs, promise 15 min --> booted the other team and high priority WOTS

what division were you in? and what division did the player in question start in? would be interested to know!

My team was an A+ D3, and he started out on my D3 search (~250 miles away).  I'd say he was an elite recruit for D3, someone I'd normally expect to have to pull down.  Surprising that he was on my D3 to start out, to be honest.  The other school was an A+ D2, fwiw.

Why did you send CVs to a guy 250 miles away?

Posted by killbatman on 9/27/2012 6:00:00 PM (view original):
My team was an A+ D3, and he started out on my D3 search (~250 miles away).  I'd say he was an elite recruit for D3, someone I'd normally expect to have to pull down.  Surprising that he was on my D3 to start out, to be honest.  The other school was an A+ D2, fwiw.

Was the D2 A+ team also local or was he outside the 360 mile radius?  I'm asking because if he was also local then he probably moved on to another player.  All things being equal (both local, both with the same amount of schollies), the D2 team is going to win that battle if he really wants to.  Now outside the 360 mile radius, it could get a little tricky.  If you had a big advantage on open schollies, it could get a little tricky.  Lots of variables here.  Congrats on getting your guy though!

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/27/2012 7:15:00 PM (view original):
Why did you send CVs to a guy 250 miles away?

Shhh, it worked for him, he got his guy, let him recruit how he sees fit.  Even if it might not have been the most efficient way to go about doing it.

Posted by professor17 on 9/27/2012 5:02:00 PM (view original):
Prestige is also a factor. The higher your prestige, the fewer HV/CV it takes to get a recruit to be high priority/very tight.

Yep, most definitely.

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/27/2012 7:15:00 PM (view original):
Why did you send CVs to a guy 250 miles away?

Honestly no good reason.  I normally use HVs at that distance, although I don't think it makes a huge difference.  I guess I was in the mood to feel like a baller and use the big ticket item.

Posted by emy1013 on 9/27/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by killbatman on 9/27/2012 6:00:00 PM (view original):
My team was an A+ D3, and he started out on my D3 search (~250 miles away).  I'd say he was an elite recruit for D3, someone I'd normally expect to have to pull down.  Surprising that he was on my D3 to start out, to be honest.  The other school was an A+ D2, fwiw.

Was the D2 A+ team also local or was he outside the 360 mile radius?  I'm asking because if he was also local then he probably moved on to another player.  All things being equal (both local, both with the same amount of schollies), the D2 team is going to win that battle if he really wants to.  Now outside the 360 mile radius, it could get a little tricky.  If you had a big advantage on open schollies, it could get a little tricky.  Lots of variables here.  Congrats on getting your guy though!

The D2 was actually closer, about 100 miles, and had 5 open spots to my 4.  But I could see as soon as he showed up on the list that I could outspend him.  He had 6 players considering him at that point, and 4 were "battles" including my player.  I have no idea why he would seek out another battle in that situation, except that I guess he assumed I would go away as a D3. It's a really good conference (we had 3 in the FF), so I had almost 20k for my 4 spots and wasn't going anywhere.

And to your point about moving on, he actually showed back up on the list right at the signings cycle (kind of a dick move imo) and kept him from signing with me right away.  I hadn't spent any money between those two points, so I had plenty more to push back again, and he signed a few cycles later. 

I know I am going to get clobbered for this question, but how inefficient are CVs versus HVs at less than 250 miles in D1? I never even bothered to think about it before.

Posted by killbatman on 9/28/2012 11:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 9/27/2012 11:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by killbatman on 9/27/2012 6:00:00 PM (view original):
My team was an A+ D3, and he started out on my D3 search (~250 miles away).  I'd say he was an elite recruit for D3, someone I'd normally expect to have to pull down.  Surprising that he was on my D3 to start out, to be honest.  The other school was an A+ D2, fwiw.

Was the D2 A+ team also local or was he outside the 360 mile radius?  I'm asking because if he was also local then he probably moved on to another player.  All things being equal (both local, both with the same amount of schollies), the D2 team is going to win that battle if he really wants to.  Now outside the 360 mile radius, it could get a little tricky.  If you had a big advantage on open schollies, it could get a little tricky.  Lots of variables here.  Congrats on getting your guy though!

The D2 was actually closer, about 100 miles, and had 5 open spots to my 4.  But I could see as soon as he showed up on the list that I could outspend him.  He had 6 players considering him at that point, and 4 were "battles" including my player.  I have no idea why he would seek out another battle in that situation, except that I guess he assumed I would go away as a D3. It's a really good conference (we had 3 in the FF), so I had almost 20k for my 4 spots and wasn't going anywhere.

And to your point about moving on, he actually showed back up on the list right at the signings cycle (kind of a dick move imo) and kept him from signing with me right away.  I hadn't spent any money between those two points, so I had plenty more to push back again, and he signed a few cycles later. 

Yeah, if he was in that many other battles, you definitely had the advantage.  Nice work!

I think the break even point is somewhere around 250 miles.....less than 100 or so it's HV fersure, over 360 it's CV all the time....In between it's a guessing game for must of us accept for the dudes that think they are right.

Posted by timhunter44 on 9/28/2012 12:10:00 PM (view original):
I know I am going to get clobbered for this question, but how inefficient are CVs versus HVs at less than 250 miles in D1? I never even bothered to think about it before.

The reason most people suggest using HV's at that distance is that you can get "almost" 3 HV's for the price of 1 CV (I know it's probably closer to 2 1/2, but work with me here).  Since a CV isn't worth 3 HV's, it becomes more efficient to use your HV's at that distance.  Didn't clobber you that bad, did I? 

Posted by timhunter44 on 9/28/2012 12:10:00 PM (view original):
I know I am going to get clobbered for this question, but how inefficient are CVs versus HVs at less than 250 miles in D1? I never even bothered to think about it before.

clobbered? i should hope not.

the real question here is, what is a CV worth in terms of HVs? and the answer you will get is the same for d1, d2, d3. at 250 miles, a HV is worth about 400, and a CV, around 1000 (thats really at 200 miles, but im sure that is close enough - you can check exactly the amouts if you like, takes about 2 seconds if you have a recruiting going, which i dont). that suggests that if a CV is worth 2.5HV, you could go either way.

on the forums, people generally believe in CV:HV values somewhere between 2 and 2.5. if its 2.5, you are fine. I am firmly in the 2:1 camp, which means with 2 HVs, you get the same effort for 800 that you could get for 1000 - meaning CVs waste 20% of your money. so its somewhere in there - based on popular opinion, using CVs are anywhere from even to wasting 20% of your money.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 9/28/2012 12:29:00 PM (view original):
I think the break even point is somewhere around 250 miles.....less than 100 or so it's HV fersure, over 360 it's CV all the time....In between it's a guessing game for must of us accept for the dudes that think they are right.

100 and 190 miles are the same, so really the guessing game is in the 200-360 range.